On talking about hypocrisy (was Re: [governance] CSTD WG on Enhanced Cooperation)

[Riaz K Tayob]

Norbert

After some of us have experienced the weight of the 'majority' (if not 
in always in specifics at an individual but in momentum, as McTim kindly 
bragged about large single rooter percentages recently, giving us some 
countermajoritarian validation) there remain some issues. But there is a 
new tenor and it is working out well. So thanks for that.

I think we can be less inflammatory (and I for one may well need 
correcting and guidance) but no less precise, but it needs some restraint.

First, terms. Double standards are very apt. So is disingenuous. Once 
these are raised then...

Second, because these may at first glance (or from a different 
perspective) this opens up the question of motive. Here especially some 
restraint is called for, but it is also tempting to drive a point home. 
And perhaps some co-co intervention at that point would be useful to 
keep language persuasive.

Motive makes for difficult dialogue. For instance the allegation made 
that some of one ilk picked a fight because Gurstein was disappointed 
for not being selected. Despite what this reveals about these making the 
accusation (I certainly was not acting in concert with others on this 
issue), it was not possible to discuss this. It did however create doubt 
as to the voracity of some of the concerns laid out (some even purely 
technical), which I suppose was enough to achieve the desired effect. 
Then there are more systemic motives, but we have been there before, an 
undoubtedly will again. However I mention all this because third world 
provincialism is not different from rich country provincialism, it is 
only one of kind.

Hope this is provocative, but helpful.

Riaz

On 2013/05/06 07:36 PM, Norbert Bollow wrote:
> But how does one talk about issues related to this problem area among
> peers, without taking needless risks of the conversation degenerating
> into name-calling or accusations of name-calling, etc?
>
> Greetings,
> Norbert


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