[governance] CSTD WG on Enhanced Cooperation

Keith Davidson keith at internetnz.net.nz
Sun May 5 19:30:09 EDT 2013


I also would certainly expect CSTD to run this as an open meeting and 
trust Joy, Avri and others who understand the elements of 
multistakeholderism to encourage CSTD to be more open, transparent and 
accountable.

Cheers

Keith Davidson

On 6/05/2013 10:15 a.m., joy wrote:
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> Thanks for the update Avri.
> I'd also call for the meeting to be open and would want to have the
> opportunity to discuss any rationale to the contrary.
> I am not interested in requests for publication of the other
> stakeholders' selection processes.
>
> Joy
>
>
> On 6/05/2013 1:48 a.m., Avri Doria wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> My communications with the chair indicate that he is doing it
>> because that is the ECOSOC way (my words) and that because he wants
>> to give all stakeholders a chance to discuss whether it should be
>> open of not.  To be fair to the chair, he is taking a safe and
>> possibility even reasonable route in making this determination.  I
>> just think that this bit of safe and reasonable action is risky and
>> a bad idea.
>>
>>
>> In terms of who may have asked the chair to keep it closed, if
>> indeed someone did, I am not sure that it matters if they did so
>> confidentially.  In fact, if indeed there are those who asked for
>> this, having the discussions might be a good thing as it will give
>> us a chance to learn who it is that does not support transparency
>> as the default condition.
>>
>> As for a joint letter.  i might agree to be part of one, but only
>> as long as it had _no_ content related to how other stakeholder
>> groups did their choosing.  The fact that it might be linked in any
>> way, by anyone, at anytime, to anti-subsidiarity of stakeholder
>> group decisions, would keep me from signing on to a joint letter.
>> While I beleive all stakeholder groups should be as open as can be,
>> it is up to them whether they are or not.  My beliefs about their
>> operations are irrelevant.
>>
>> I should also indicate that if the group decides not be open, or
>> to use Chatham House rule, I will comply with the rule.  I will
>> argue against it, but will adhere to it.
>>
>> avri
>>
>>
>> On 5 May 2013, at 04:38, William Drake wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> On May 4, 2013, at 6:39 PM, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 10:53 AM, Nick Ashton-Hart
>>>> <nashton at consensus.pro> wrote:
>>>>> I hope you're successful, Avri - and that this is something
>>>>> that the civil society participants can unanimously support.
>>>>> I will see if some of the other stakeholder groups will
>>>>> support it too.!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think that a statement from IGC on this could gain
>>>> consensus.
>>>>
>>>> This is one example of social justice that we could get
>>>> behind.
>>>>
>>>> It would be even better if we could get biz and T&A to sign on
>>>> as well.
>>>
>>> Before trying to assemble a joint letter about the closure of
>>> the meeting, it would probably be good to confirm where the
>>> demand from closure came from and what the rationale was.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Bill
>>> ____________________________________________________________
>>
>>
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