[governance] CSTD WG on Enhanced Cooperation

[parminder]

On Sunday 05 May 2013 07:18 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
> Hi,
>
> My communications with the chair indicate that he is doing it because that is the ECOSOC way (my words) and that because he wants to give all stakeholders a chance to discuss whether it should be open of not.  To be fair to the chair, he is taking a safe and possibility even reasonable route in making this determination.  I just think that this bit of safe and reasonable action is risky and a bad idea.
>
> In terms of who may have asked the chair to keep it closed, if indeed someone did, I am not sure that it matters if they did so confidentially.  In fact, if indeed there are those who asked for this, having the discussions might be a good thing as it will give us a chance to learn who it is that does not support transparency as the default condition.
>
> As for a joint letter.  i might agree to be part of one, but only as long as it had _no_ content related to how other stakeholder groups did their choosing.  The fact that it might be linked in any way, by anyone, at anytime, to anti-subsidiarity of stakeholder group decisions,

A very interesting concept! But, no, subsidiarity was never meant to be 
quoted to bypass basic higher principles of democratic, rights-based 
etc, governance in any polity. If it could be so quoted, then UN human 
rights council has no business to be interrogating human rights 
situation in Syria or Sri Lanka. A tribal chief can declare that female 
foeticide is officially sanctioned in his territory and so on.... 
Openness and transparency are higher principles, and in this case of MS 
(multistakeholder) rep selection also stamped unanimously by the WG on 
Improvements and then the UN GA.  Such higher principles are not subject 
to the subsidiarity rule. They in fact frame subsidiarity in democratic 
governance .. But MSism isnt bound by democratic traditions, is it! It 
is a completely new species . Who was it who recently compared MSism to 
tribalism on this list...


> would keep me from signing on to a joint letter.  While I beleive all stakeholder groups should be as open as can be, it is up to them whether they are or not.  My beliefs about their operations are irrelevant.

Does this group then undertake not to ever question how governments are 
formed, whether they are democratic or not.  A strange view, IMHO. This 
is throwing away democracy. Making it irrelevant how governments are 
chosen as long as some people presents itself as government nominees. 
Or, maybe I am extrapolating your statement wrongly, and you do not 
consider governments as stakeholder groups in the same manner as nongov 
stakeholder groups...

parminder

> I should also indicate that if the group decides not be open, or to use Chatham House rule, I will comply with the rule.  I will argue against it, but will adhere to it.
>
> avri
>
>
> On 5 May 2013, at 04:38, William Drake wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> On May 4, 2013, at 6:39 PM, McTim<dogwallah at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 10:53 AM, Nick Ashton-Hart<nashton at consensus.pro>  wrote:
>>>> I hope you're successful, Avri - and that this is something that the civil
>>>> society participants can unanimously support. I will see if some of the
>>>> other stakeholder groups will support it too.!
>>> I think that a statement from IGC on this could gain consensus.
>>>
>>> This is one example of social justice that we could get behind.
>>>
>>> It would be even better if we could get biz and T&A to sign on as well.
>> Before trying to assemble a joint letter about the closure of the meeting, it would probably be good to confirm where the demand from closure came from and what the rationale was.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Bill
>> ____________________________________________________________


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