[governance] Spamhaus

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

And here is a reply from the ISP that hosts cloudflare to the Gizmodo reporter, posted on nanog

http://cluepon.net/ras/gizmodo

--srs (iPad)

On 28-Mar-2013, at 19:42, Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net> wrote:

> Let us put it this way.  It *is* a massive DDoS on a scale not known before, and traffic levels have been massively high, but mitigation has simultaneously kicked in and is still going on as I speak.
> 
> If that were not mitigated you might see the apocalypse, slowdown or whatever else much more obviously.
> 
> --srs (iPad)
> 
> On 28-Mar-2013, at 19:17, Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp> wrote:
> 
>> Broken, or perhaps not?
>> 
>> <http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2013/03/that-internet-war-apocalypse-is-a-lie/>
>> 
>> Adam
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 10:34 PM, Chaitanya Dhareshwar
>> <chaitanyabd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Actually that's what I do most often - though I've NEVER paid to delist -
>>> only requested; and that's always gone through. Happened a few years back
>>> when Yahoo's mail service blocked off my IP (though my volume of mail to
>>> Yahoo was significant good mail) - one polite email requesting a delisting
>>> was all it took!
>>> 
>>> My IPs (all of them, even the ones that are not MX or A records - could be
>>> NS or others) are clean - there's no reason that shouldnt happen.
>>> 
>>> Overall I'd say Spamhaus is one of the most cooperative, positive experience
>>> I've ever seen. Wish everyone (DNSBL community) were more like them...
>>> 
>>> -C
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 6:44 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Let me ask you a question.  Did you actually face significant volumes of
>>>> lost mail from those "pay to delist" blocklists?
>>>> 
>>>> Or was this a case of looking up your IP on say mxtoolbox.com and figuring
>>>> out "oh no, I am blocked, let me get out of every single blocklist that
>>>> mxtoolbox says that I'm on?"
>>>> 
>>>> --srs (iPad)
>>>> 
>>>> On 28-Mar-2013, at 18:23, "Carlos A. Afonso" <ca at cafonso.ca> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 03/28/2013 01:52 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>> In particular please see section 2.2.5 on conflict of interest which
>>>>>> says that while a dnsbl may be run as a commercial proposition by
>>>>>> charging a fee from sites that use it, it MUST not charge for the
>>>>>> removal of a listing, as this "steers periliously close to notions of
>>>>>> extortion, blackmail or a protection racket".
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is a RFC recommendation typically not followed. In at least two
>>>>> cases we were asked for money to have the IP removed from their blacklist.
>>>>> In one case, they would remove for free only seven days after the request,
>>>>> unless we were willing to pay US$100.
>>>>> 
>>>>> frt rgds
>>>>> 
>>>>> --c.a.
>>> 
>>> 
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