<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div><span></span></div><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div>And here is a reply from the ISP that hosts cloudflare to the Gizmodo reporter, posted on nanog</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://cluepon.net/ras/gizmodo">http://cluepon.net/ras/gizmodo</a></div><div><br>--srs (iPad)</div><div><br>On 28-Mar-2013, at 19:42, Suresh Ramasubramanian <<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net">suresh@hserus.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>Let us put it this way. It *is* a massive DDoS on a scale not known before, and traffic levels have been massively high, but mitigation has simultaneously kicked in and is still going on as I speak.</span><br><span></span><br><span>If that were not mitigated you might see the apocalypse, slowdown or whatever else much more obviously.</span><br><span></span><br><span>--srs (iPad)</span><br><span></span><br><span>On 28-Mar-2013, at 19:17, Adam Peake <<a href="mailto:ajp@glocom.ac.jp">ajp@glocom.ac.jp</a>> wrote:</span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>Broken, or perhaps not?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><<a href="http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2013/03/that-internet-war-apocalypse-is-a-lie/">http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2013/03/that-internet-war-apocalypse-is-a-lie/</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Adam</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 10:34 PM, Chaitanya Dhareshwar</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><<a href="mailto:chaitanyabd@gmail.com">chaitanyabd@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Actually that's what I do most often - though I've NEVER paid to delist -</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>only requested; and that's always gone through. Happened a few years back</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>when Yahoo's mail service blocked off my IP (though my volume of mail to</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Yahoo was significant good mail) - one polite email requesting a delisting</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>was all it took!</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>My IPs (all of them, even the ones that are not MX or A records - could be</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>NS or others) are clean - there's no reason that shouldnt happen.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Overall I'd say Spamhaus is one of the most cooperative, positive experience</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I've ever seen. Wish everyone (DNSBL community) were more like them...</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>-C</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 6:44 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net">suresh@hserus.net</a>></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Let me ask you a question. Did you actually face significant volumes of</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>lost mail from those "pay to delist" blocklists?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Or was this a case of looking up your IP on say <a href="http://mxtoolbox.com">mxtoolbox.com</a> and figuring</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>out "oh no, I am blocked, let me get out of every single blocklist that</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>mxtoolbox says that I'm on?"</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>--srs (iPad)</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On 28-Mar-2013, at 18:23, "Carlos A. Afonso" <<a href="mailto:ca@cafonso.ca">ca@cafonso.ca</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On 03/28/2013 01:52 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>[...]</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>In particular please see section 2.2.5 on conflict of interest which</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>says that while a dnsbl may be run as a commercial proposition by</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>charging a fee from sites that use it, it MUST not charge for the</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>removal of a listing, as this "steers periliously close to notions of</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>extortion, blackmail or a protection racket".</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>This is a RFC recommendation typically not followed. In at least two</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>cases we were asked for money to have the IP removed from their blacklist.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>In one case, they would remove for free only seven days after the request,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>unless we were willing to pay US$100.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote 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