[governance] Spamhaus

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

Let us put it this way.  It *is* a massive DDoS on a scale not known before, and traffic levels have been massively high, but mitigation has simultaneously kicked in and is still going on as I speak.

If that were not mitigated you might see the apocalypse, slowdown or whatever else much more obviously.

--srs (iPad)

On 28-Mar-2013, at 19:17, Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp> wrote:

> Broken, or perhaps not?
> 
> <http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2013/03/that-internet-war-apocalypse-is-a-lie/>
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 10:34 PM, Chaitanya Dhareshwar
> <chaitanyabd at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Actually that's what I do most often - though I've NEVER paid to delist -
>> only requested; and that's always gone through. Happened a few years back
>> when Yahoo's mail service blocked off my IP (though my volume of mail to
>> Yahoo was significant good mail) - one polite email requesting a delisting
>> was all it took!
>> 
>> My IPs (all of them, even the ones that are not MX or A records - could be
>> NS or others) are clean - there's no reason that shouldnt happen.
>> 
>> Overall I'd say Spamhaus is one of the most cooperative, positive experience
>> I've ever seen. Wish everyone (DNSBL community) were more like them...
>> 
>> -C
>> 
>> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 6:44 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Let me ask you a question.  Did you actually face significant volumes of
>>> lost mail from those "pay to delist" blocklists?
>>> 
>>> Or was this a case of looking up your IP on say mxtoolbox.com and figuring
>>> out "oh no, I am blocked, let me get out of every single blocklist that
>>> mxtoolbox says that I'm on?"
>>> 
>>> --srs (iPad)
>>> 
>>> On 28-Mar-2013, at 18:23, "Carlos A. Afonso" <ca at cafonso.ca> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 03/28/2013 01:52 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>>>> In particular please see section 2.2.5 on conflict of interest which
>>>>> says that while a dnsbl may be run as a commercial proposition by
>>>>> charging a fee from sites that use it, it MUST not charge for the
>>>>> removal of a listing, as this "steers periliously close to notions of
>>>>> extortion, blackmail or a protection racket".
>>>> 
>>>> This is a RFC recommendation typically not followed. In at least two
>>>> cases we were asked for money to have the IP removed from their blacklist.
>>>> In one case, they would remove for free only seven days after the request,
>>>> unless we were willing to pay US$100.
>>>> 
>>>> frt rgds
>>>> 
>>>> --c.a.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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