[governance] Tallin Manual - a Cyber Warfare convention?

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

We can make an effort to rewrite sections of the tallinn manual and 
publish an alternative version or maybe a critical edition of sorts to 
make these clear I expect

The difficulty both with the tallinn manual and in this one is that 
both aren't binding and only those countries that already follow best 
practice will make any effort to change because of either or both the 
tallinn manual and our inputs (of course assuming they are produced and 
get the same level of attention)

--srs (htc one x)



On 25 March 2013 2:08:25 AM "Ian Peter" <ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:
> I agree with Lee – I think there might be a lot we can do.
>
> I think there is a strong argument for a declaration of an Internet war 
> free zone of sorts – I think of Swiss neutrality, non-proliferation 
> treaties, nuclear weapon free zones, etc. I think a compelling argument 
> can be made that cyberwarfare with its inability to localise damage can 
> be seen to be something we should not contemplate. We may not be able 
> to stop it, but we may be able to have it declared illegal or immoral. 
> That would be a good first step.
>
> Ian Peter
>
> From: Lee W McKnight
> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 7:29 AM
> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; Louis Pouzin (well) ; Ian Peter
> Subject: RE: [governance] Tallin Manual - a Cyber Warfare convention?
>
> Louis,
>
> re CS influence, I note the Red Cross had a seat at the table while the 
> docs were drafted or at least was on the pre-publication review list, 
> unsure myself how they worked together.
>
> But I would not be so dismissive of CS's ability to influence 
> modification of part or object to certain sections. In fact, sounds 
> like a good topic for an IGC co-sponsored workshop at IGF...assuming we 
> don;t already have a submission coming in right on target.
>
> Now putting on my political and media games analyst hat...the public 
> naming and shaming of the particular building in Shanghai full of 
> People's Liberation Army contractors incessantly cracking government 
> and firm systems and - borrowing?- or should I say sharing for 
> themselves that information, fits in context of the push towards new 
> international law for cyber warfare.
>
> Which in principle may be better than the absence of such a legal 
> framework; or granted, possibly worse when implemented in practice.
>
> But my comment is just that it is too soon to say how this will all 
> play out, and we should not assume we cannot have an impact on the path.
>
> Lee
>
> PS: And belated warmest congratulations!!! : )
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: pouzin at gmail.com [pouzin at gmail.com] on behalf of Louis Pouzin 
> (well) [pouzin at well.com]
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 12:37 PM
> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Ian Peter
> Subject: [governance] Tallin Manual - a Cyber Warfare convention?
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 3:40 AM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:
>
>   As Samuel Morse might have remarked, “What God hath wrought”.
>
>   A landmark document created at the request of NATO has proposed a set 
>   of rules for how international cyberwarfare should be conducted. 
>   Written by 20 experts in conjunction with the International Committee 
>   of the Red Cross and the US Cyber Command, theTallinn Manual on the 
>   International Law Applicable to Cyber Warfare analyzes the rules of 
>   conventional war and applies them to state-sponsored cyberattacks.
>
>   http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/21/4130740/tallin-manual-on-the-international-law-applicable-to-cyber-warfare
>
>   - - -
>
>
> Thanks Ian for precious links. It seems that time is coming for legal 
> definitions of cyberwarfare, in which we are living already. 
> Initiatives belong to the powers that be, the only ones with the 
> capacity to follow or violate the rules. CS doesn't have much 
> influence, except through occasional media power.
>
> Some more frightening documents on real war:
>
> http://www.salon.com/2013/02/19/latin_america_territorio_libre_from_the_cia_partner/?source=newsletter&utm_source=contactology&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Salon_Daily%20Newsletter%20%28Premium%29_7_30_110
>
> http://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/projects/globalizing-torture
>
> One may observe that oppressive regimes resort to coded sanitized 
> language to mean illegal and criminal activities. This was anticipated 
> by Orwell (newspeak), and turned real with soviet labor camp 
> (concentration), nazism special treatment (gas chamber), maoism 
> reeducation (deportation), bushism and obamism extraordinary rendition 
> (torture), inter alia.
>
> Louis
>
>
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