[governance] China's next-generation internet is a world-beater - tech - 10 March 2013 - New Scientist

[McTim]

Why are there only two choices? Neither bi-lateral nor multi-lateral
would be my choice.

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McTim
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On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 8:42 PM, michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:
> Okay, let me make sure that I understand you folks…
>
>
>
> You are saying that you would prefer to have a bilateral agreement
> negotiated behind closed doors between the plutocrats err… the responsible
> senior officials in the US and the high level bureaucrats in China
> determining who knows what aspects of the operation of the Internet (perhaps
> you can explain to me/us how it will be possible to separate out
> "bi-lateral" connections on the Internet from the interconnections of the
> "global" Internet) rather than a multilateral agreement negotiated more or
> less in public among all countries where, given the current move towards
> "multi-stakeholderism" civil society, the technical community etc.etc.
> (amongst others) would have input…
>
>
>
> Strange world you guys live in…
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> M
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> From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org
> [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Peter H.
> Hellmonds
> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 3:22 PM
> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; 'Nick Ashton-Hart'; 'michael gurstein'
> Subject: AW: [governance] China's next-generation internet is a world-beater
> - tech - 10 March 2013 - New Scientist
>
>
>
> +1. Right, and sometimes bilateral agreements between two powers can be much
> more effective in a realpolitik sense to achieve desired objectives and are
> much easier to negotiate and implement than any kind of global agreement,
> which usually would take a decade or two to negotiate and would be watered
> down so much that the initiators would see nothing left of their original
> intent.
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>
>
> Peter
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> Von: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org
> [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] Im Auftrag von Nick
> Ashton-Hart
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>
> Gesendet: 12 March 2013 22:17
> An: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; michael gurstein
> Cc: Peter H. Hellmonds
> Betreff: Re: [governance] China's next-generation internet is a world-beater
> - tech - 10 March 2013 - New Scientist
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> See below
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> --
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> Regards,
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> Nick
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> Sent from my one of my handheld thingies, please excuse linguistic mangling.
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>
> On 12 Mar 2013, at 17:30, michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> What does occur to me from both of these however, is that they (together)
> clearly indicate the need for some sort of global agreements concerning the
> overall governance (development/deployment) of the Internet (including
> issues of cybersecurity and content flow) if it is to continue to operate in
> an effective and inclusive manner in the interests of us all…
>
>
>
> There are plenty of rules already with respect to the behaviour we are
> seeing, and they are rules to which China is a party. For example, China has
> obligations at the WTO not to interfere with advertising, yet, they block
> ad-bearing services from outside in order to protect equivalent services
> (including ad-bearing services mind you) that are homegrown. There are also
> human rights agreements, again to which China is a party I understand, which
> obligate it not to do many of the things it is doing to its citizens.
>
>
>
> There are also talks going on now in trade that would protect the flow of
> information, and quite likely the Internet as a platform, too.
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>
>
> This idea that agreements need to be made in order to prevent certain states
> from doing one thing or another is all very nice - but just because a
> country signs an agreement doesn't mean it will implement its provisions.
>
> !DSPAM:2676,513faa9b201487147020512!
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