[governance] China's next-generation internet is a world-beater - tech - 10 March 2013 - New Scientist

[michael gurstein]

Okay, let me make sure that I understand you folks. 

 

You are saying that you would prefer to have a bilateral agreement
negotiated behind closed doors between the plutocrats err. the responsible
senior officials in the US and the high level bureaucrats in China
determining who knows what aspects of the operation of the Internet (perhaps
you can explain to me/us how it will be possible to separate out
"bi-lateral" connections on the Internet from the interconnections of the
"global" Internet) rather than a multilateral agreement negotiated more or
less in public among all countries where, given the current move towards
"multi-stakeholderism" civil society, the technical community etc.etc.
(amongst others) would have input.

 

Strange world you guys live in.

 

M

 

From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org
[mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Peter H.
Hellmonds
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 3:22 PM
To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; 'Nick Ashton-Hart'; 'michael gurstein'
Subject: AW: [governance] China's next-generation internet is a world-beater
- tech - 10 March 2013 - New Scientist

 

+1. Right, and sometimes bilateral agreements between two powers can be much
more effective in a realpolitik sense to achieve desired objectives and are
much easier to negotiate and implement than any kind of global agreement,
which usually would take a decade or two to negotiate and would be watered
down so much that the initiators would see nothing left of their original
intent.

 

Peter 

 

Von: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org
[mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] Im Auftrag von Nick
Ashton-Hart
Gesendet: 12 March 2013 22:17
An: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; michael gurstein
Cc: Peter H. Hellmonds
Betreff: Re: [governance] China's next-generation internet is a world-beater
- tech - 10 March 2013 - New Scientist

 

See below

-- 

Regards,

 

Nick 

 

Sent from my one of my handheld thingies, please excuse linguistic mangling.


On 12 Mar 2013, at 17:30, michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:

What does occur to me from both of these however, is that they (together)
clearly indicate the need for some sort of global agreements concerning the
overall governance (development/deployment) of the Internet (including
issues of cybersecurity and content flow) if it is to continue to operate in
an effective and inclusive manner in the interests of us all.

 

There are plenty of rules already with respect to the behaviour we are
seeing, and they are rules to which China is a party. For example, China has
obligations at the WTO not to interfere with advertising, yet, they block
ad-bearing services from outside in order to protect equivalent services
(including ad-bearing services mind you) that are homegrown. There are also
human rights agreements, again to which China is a party I understand, which
obligate it not to do many of the things it is doing to its citizens.

 

There are also talks going on now in trade that would protect the flow of
information, and quite likely the Internet as a platform, too.

 

This idea that agreements need to be made in order to prevent certain states
from doing one thing or another is all very nice - but just because a
country signs an agreement doesn't mean it will implement its provisions.

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