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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Okay, let me make sure that I understand you folks… <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>You are saying that you would prefer to have a bilateral agreement negotiated behind closed doors between the plutocrats err… the responsible senior officials in the US and the high level bureaucrats in China determining who knows what aspects of the operation of the Internet (perhaps you can explain to me/us how it will be possible to separate out "bi-lateral" connections on the Internet from the interconnections of the "global" Internet) rather than a multilateral agreement negotiated more or less in public among all countries where, given the current move towards "multi-stakeholderism" civil society, the technical community etc.etc. (amongst others) would have input…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Strange world you guys live in…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>M<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Peter H. Hellmonds<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 12, 2013 3:22 PM<br><b>To:</b> governance@lists.igcaucus.org; 'Nick Ashton-Hart'; 'michael gurstein'<br><b>Subject:</b> AW: [governance] China's next-generation internet is a world-beater - tech - 10 March 2013 - New Scientist<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>+1. Right, and sometimes bilateral agreements between two powers can be much more effective in a realpolitik sense to achieve desired objectives and are much easier to negotiate and implement than any kind of global agreement, which usually would take a decade or two to negotiate and would be watered down so much that the initiators would see nothing left of their original intent.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Peter </span><span lang=DE style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Von:</span></b><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org">governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a> [<a href="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org">mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a>] <b>Im Auftrag von </b>Nick Ashton-Hart<br><b>Gesendet:</b> 12 March 2013 22:17<br><b>An:</b> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>; michael gurstein<br><b>Cc:</b> Peter H. Hellmonds<br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [governance] China's next-generation internet is a world-beater - tech - 10 March 2013 - New Scientist<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-GB>See below<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>-- <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Nick <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Sent from my one of my handheld thingies, please excuse linguistic mangling.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-GB><br>On 12 Mar 2013, at 17:30, michael gurstein <<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>What does occur to me from both of these however, is that they (together) clearly indicate the need for some sort of global agreements concerning the overall governance (development/deployment) of the Internet (including issues of cybersecurity and content flow) if it is to continue to operate in an effective and inclusive manner in the interests of us all…</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>There are plenty of rules already with respect to the behaviour we are seeing, and they are rules to which China is a party. For example, China has obligations at the WTO not to interfere with advertising, yet, they block ad-bearing services from outside in order to protect equivalent services (including ad-bearing services mind you) that are homegrown. There are also human rights agreements, again to which China is a party I understand, which obligate it not to do many of the things it is doing to its citizens.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>There are also talks going on now in trade that would protect the flow of information, and quite likely the Internet as a platform, too.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>This idea that agreements need to be made in order to prevent certain states from doing one thing or another is all very nice - but just because a country signs an agreement doesn't mean it will implement its provisions.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>!DSPAM:2676,513faa9b201487147020512! <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></body></html>