[governance] who owns the new gTLDs?

Suresh Ramasubramanian suresh at hserus.net
Wed Mar 6 01:18:18 EST 2013 

For a contract to be binding, both parties necessarily need to sign on 
to it. Several CcTLDs are operated by government agencies that are wary 
of doing this

--srs (htc one x)



On 6 March 2013 11:37:15 AM Imran Ahmed Shah <ias_pk at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear Dr Alejandro,
> >b. for ccTLDs to be bound by contracts.
>  
> We have tried both options, submitted concern in ICANN's Seoul Meeting 
> and submitting our request online and through email but we were told 
> from ICANN that some of the ccTLDs are not under contract with ICANN. 
> It depends on the ccTLD Registry owners if they want to sign up 
> Contract with ICANN or not but they are not bound to do this.
>  
> Regards
>  
> Imran
>
> >________________________________
> > From: Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch <apisan at unam.mx>
> >To: Imran Ahmed Shah <ias_pk at yahoo.com>; 
> "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>; Guru 
> गुरु <Guru at ITforChange.net>
> >Sent: Tuesday, 5 March 2013, 19:05
> >Subject: RE: [governance] who owns the new gTLDs?
> >
> >
> >
> >Imran,
> >
> >
> >the beauty of the system is that you can go to an ICANN meeting or 
> submit propossals through the online fora and fix the part you don't 
> like. It seems that you would like a. for ICANN to do the arbitration 
> itself instead of through expert bodies, and b. for ccTLDs to be bound 
> by contracts. These are pretty clear propositions.
> >
> >
> >Alejandro Pisanty
> >
> >
> > 
> >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 
> >     Dr. Alejandro Pisanty
> >Facultad de Química UNAM
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> >Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, 
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> >---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org
> >.  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  . 
> >
> >________________________________
> >
> >Desde: Imran Ahmed Shah [ias_pk at yahoo.com]
> >Enviado el: martes, 05 de marzo de 2013 05:35
> >Hasta: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Guru गुरु; Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch
> >Asunto: Re: [governance] who owns the new gTLDs?
> >
> >
> >Dear Alejandro,
> >>ICANN takes care of a number of public-interest issues (e.g. registry 
> and registrar contract compliance, usually in benefit of the registrant 
> and final user) *within its restricted mission*. ICANN management has 
> also introduced criteria for new-gTLD contestants to make a statement 
> in favor of compliance with public interest and, guess what, some 
> companies have refused, and make it look like the community is in 
> protest through known speakers and writers.
> >You are right that ICANN is taking care for of number of 
> public-interest issues, but the criterion of objection is limited; 
> ICANN commitment for compliance is further limited as the resolutions 
> and arbitration functions are delegated to third parties.
> >With reference to Registry & Registrar Contract Agreement, there are 
> many ccTLD who have agreement with ICANN but some of them not. ICANN 
> has no performance monitoring controls. Those ccTLDs are not bound to 
> follow ICANN’s Policies. In some examples, ccTLD registry operations 
> are being managed from separate country while the Registry is 
> incorporation in any third country. ICANN policies does not support 
> public interest over here.
> >
> >Regards
> >
> >Imran Ahmed Shah
> >
> >
> >>________________________________
> >> From: Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch <apisan at unam.mx>
> >>To: "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>; 
> Guru गुरु <Guru at ITforChange.net>
> >>Sent: Tuesday, 5 March 2013, 10:41
> >>Subject: RE: [governance] who owns the new gTLDs?
> >>
> >>Gurmurty, (no, I won't call you Guru, sorry),
> >>
> >>ICANN takes care of a number of public-interest issues (e.g. registry 
> and registrar contract compliance, usually in benefit of the registrant 
> and final user) *within its restricted mission*. ICANN management has 
> also introduced criteria for new-gTLD contestants
>  to make a statement in favor of compliance with public interest and, 
>  guess what, some companies have refused, and make it look like the 
>  community is in protest through known speakers and writers.
> >>
> >>Not so long ago, controversies were based on the perception that 
> ICANN engaged in "mission creep", a colorful analogy based on materials 
> science that refers to expansion of activities beyond the mandated 
> mission. Is it now going to go in the opposite direction?
> >>
> >>If taxation is a concern what is the idea here? (trying to get 
> something concrete though my hopes are low): that ICANN should mandate 
> corporations what to do with their tax-paying behavior? That ICANN not 
> allow business - say for example domain name registration
>  in gTLD and ccTLD registries through accredited registrars - unless 
>  they are paying taxes the way someone (not the tax authority in the 
>  companies' countries of incorporation) likes?
> >>
> >>Do you have a workable alternative consistent with the often-made 
> claim that ICANN stick strictly to its technical coordination mission?
> >>
> >>Alejandro Pisanty
> >>
> >>
> >>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> >>    Dr. Alejandro Pisanty
> >>Facultad de Química UNAM
> >>Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>+52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD
> >>
> >>+525541444475 DESDE MÉXICO SMS +525541444475
> >>Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com/
> >>LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty
> >>Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, 
> http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614
> >>Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty
> >>---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org/
> >>.  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .
> >>
> >>________________________________________
> >>Desde: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org 
> [governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] en nombre de Guru गुरु 
> [Guru at ITforChange.net]
> >>Enviado el: lunes, 04 de marzo de 2013 23:27
> >>Hasta: governance at lists.igcaucus.org
> >>Asunto: Re: [governance] who owns the new gTLDs?
> >>
> >>On 03/05/2013 03:39 AM, McTim wrote:
> >>> On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Dominique Lacroix <dl at panamo.eu> wrote:
> >>>> Le 04/03/13 22:31, McTim a écrit :
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Dominique Lacroix <dl at panamo.eu> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Dear Sala,
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks Carlos for the mention. Yes, I distributed a paper leaflet to some
> >>>> friends in Paris, during the WSIS.
> >>>> The demonstration is clear.
> >>>> Two journal articles are going to be published. Please, just wait a few
> >>>> days.
> >>>> I asked the question about tax heavens to Fadi Chehadé in Paris, and to 3
> >>>> members of ICANN board/GNSO.
> >>>>
> >>>> Why would you have any reasonable expectation that ICANN would have
> >>>> anything to do with this issue?
> >>>>
> >>>> Absolutely right. ICANN has not anything to do with public interest.
> >>> ICANN has a very narrow remit.  Asking them to police where
> >>> corporations are housed is well out of scope.
> >>McTim
> >>
> >>Who should take care of the public interest aspects, if you think ICANN
> >>should not do it? What is your view?
> >>
> >>Guru
> >>
> >>
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