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<p>For a contract to be binding, both parties necessarily need to sign
on to it. Several CcTLDs are operated by government agencies that are
wary of doing this <br>
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--srs (htc one x)<br>
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<p>On 6 March 2013 11:37:15 AM Imran Ahmed Shah <ias_pk@yahoo.com> wrote:</p>
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Dr Alejandro,</span></div><div><span>>b. for ccTLDs to be bound by
contracts.</span></div><div><span></span> </div><div>We have tried
both options, submitted concern in ICANN's Seoul Meeting and submitting
our request online and through email but we were told from ICANN that
some of the ccTLDs are not under contract with ICANN. It depends on the
ccTLD Registry owners if they want to sign up Contract with ICANN or
not but they are not bound to do
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<div>the beauty of the system is that you can go to an ICANN meeting or
submit propossals through the online fora and fix the part you don't
like. It seems that you would like a. for ICANN to do the arbitration
itself instead of through expert bodies, and b.
for ccTLDs to be bound by contracts. These are pretty clear
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<b>Enviado el:</b> martes, 05 de marzo de 2013 05:35<br>
<b>Hasta:</b> governance@lists.igcaucus.org; Guru गुरु; Dr. Alejandro
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<b>Asunto:</b> Re: [governance] who owns the new gTLDs?<br>
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<div style="text-align: justify;"><font face="Times New Roman"><span
style="color: black;">>ICANN takes care of a number of
public-interest issues (e.g. registry and registrar contract
compliance, usually in benefit of the registrant and final user) *within its
restricted mission*. ICANN management has also introduced criteria for
new-gTLD contestants to make a statement in favor of compliance with
public interest and, guess what, some companies have refused, and make
it look like the community is in protest through
known speakers and writers.</span><span
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<div><span style="color: black;">You are right that ICANN is taking
care for of number of public-interest issues, but the criterion of
objection is limited; ICANN commitment for compliance is further
limited as the resolutions
and arbitration functions are delegated to third parties.</span></div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: black;">With
reference to Registry & Registrar Contract Agreement, there are
many ccTLD who have agreement with ICANN but some of them not. ICANN
has no performance monitoring
controls. Those ccTLDs are not bound to follow ICANN’s Policies. In
some examples, ccTLD registry operations are being managed from
separate country while the Registry is incorporation in any third
country. ICANN policies does not support public interest over
here.</span></div>
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<div>Imran Ahmed Shah</div>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Dr. Alejandro
Pisanty Baruch <apisan@unam.mx><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
"governance@lists.igcaucus.org" <governance@lists.igcaucus.org>;
Guru गुरु <Guru@ITforChange.net>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, 5 March
2013, 10:41<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> RE:
[governance] who owns the new gTLDs?<br>
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Gurmurty, (no, I won't call you Guru, sorry),<br>
<br>
ICANN takes care of a number of public-interest issues (e.g. registry
and registrar contract compliance, usually in benefit of the registrant
and final user) *within its restricted mission*. ICANN management has
also introduced criteria for new-gTLD contestants
to make a statement in favor of compliance with public interest and,
guess what, some companies have refused, and make it look like the
community is in protest through known speakers and writers.<br>
<br>
Not so long ago, controversies were based on the perception that ICANN
engaged in "mission creep", a colorful analogy based on materials
science that refers to expansion of activities beyond the mandated
mission. Is it now going to go in the opposite direction?
<br>
<br>
If taxation is a concern what is the idea here? (trying to get
something concrete though my hopes are low): that ICANN should mandate
corporations what to do with their tax-paying behavior? That ICANN not
allow business - say for example domain name registration
in gTLD and ccTLD registries through accredited registrars - unless
they are paying taxes the way someone (not the tax authority in the
companies' countries of incorporation) likes?
<br>
<br>
Do you have a workable alternative consistent with the often-made claim
that ICANN stick strictly to its technical coordination mission?<br>
<br>
Alejandro Pisanty<br>
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Enviado el: lunes, 04 de marzo de 2013 23:27<br>
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On 03/05/2013 03:39 AM, McTim wrote:<br>
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Dominique Lacroix <<a
href="mailto:dl@panamo.eu" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:dl@panamo.eu">dl@panamo.eu</a>> wrote:<br>
>> Le 04/03/13 22:31, McTim a écrit :<br>
>><br>
>> On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Dominique Lacroix <<a
href="mailto:dl@panamo.eu" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:dl@panamo.eu">dl@panamo.eu</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Dear Sala,<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks Carlos for the mention. Yes, I distributed a paper
leaflet to some<br>
>> friends in Paris, during the WSIS.<br>
>> The demonstration is clear.<br>
>> Two journal articles are going to be published. Please, just
wait a few<br>
>> days.<br>
>> I asked the question about tax heavens to Fadi Chehadé in
Paris, and to 3<br>
>> members of ICANN board/GNSO.<br>
>><br>
>> Why would you have any reasonable expectation that ICANN would
have<br>
>> anything to do with this issue?<br>
>><br>
>> Absolutely right. ICANN has not anything to do with public
interest.<br>
> ICANN has a very narrow remit. Asking them to police where<br>
> corporations are housed is well out of scope.<br>
McTim<br>
<br>
Who should take care of the public interest aspects, if you think ICANN<br>
should not do it? What is your view?<br>
<br>
Guru<br>
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