[governance] Re:Racismo étnico

Suresh Ramasubramanian suresh at hserus.net
Sat Jun 15 06:13:35 EDT 2013 

Thanks riaz and believe me, where I can find common ground i certainly will

--srs (htc one x)



On 15 June 2013 3:03:58 PM Riaz K Tayob <riaz.tayob at gmail.com> wrote:
> Actually I have been less than constructive and with guidance from good 
> friends have pointed this out.  There is a contest of ideas and values, 
> which is all that I am trying to create space for here, which is difficult, 
> but no excuse for me bad behaviour.
>
> The contest of ideas need not be expressed so personally, crudely nor in a 
> way that forecloses discussion - none of us are above reproach. So I do not 
> read Suresh's point as racist at all. It is part of the contest. A contest 
> that can be conducted more civilly on my part, which includes abstaining 
> from being provoked.
>
> While I will try to be clear and precise, I will try to be more 
> constructive so that we can get to the real politics of the matters at 
> hand... with intellectual diversity, and multiple conceptions of the values 
> that underpin our understanding of the 'good life' that inspires are 
> respective value systems.
>
> So while I cannot apologise nor retract my Third World analytic, I can 
> certainly try not to be an ass about it... and as we are in good company I 
> can count on openness and candour from friends to point this out...
>
> riaz
> On 2013/06/15 06:02 AM, Chaitanya Dhareshwar wrote:
> > Noting Jose's message here in English for those who're unable to read/use 
> a translator
> > /"Is this practicing ethnic racism? Such attacks should not be allowed on 
> this list (or any other).
> >
> > It only serves to belittle and intimidate the person, and it detracts 
> from their free membership participation in discussions and debates on this 
> list.
> >
> > I'm originally from a developing country, also known as the Third World, 
> and I am proud of my ethnicity and my home.
> >
> > It strikes me that as members of this list highly prepared, cognitively 
> and culturally still remains in some aspects of racial segregation"/
> > FYI Jose fair few of us are from what you'd call a "third world" or 
> "developing" country. So when a smiley like ":)" is used next to the term 
> it's because it's usually intended as a joke, not as a serious insult/racism.
> > Best,
> > Chaitanya
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 5:28 AM, José Félix Arias Ynche 
> <jaryn56 at gmail.com <mailto:jaryn56 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >
> >     ¿Se esta practicando el racismo étnico? Este tipo de ataques no se
> >     debe permitir en esta lista (o en cualquier otro).
> >     Sólo sirve para menospreciar e intimidar a la persona, y desmedra
> >     su libre participación como miembro, en las discusiones y el
> >     debates en esta lista.
> >
> >      Yo soy originario de un país en desarrollo, también conocido como
> >     del tercer mundo, y me siento orgulloso de mi etnia y de mi origen.
> >
> >     Me llama la atención que siendo los integrantes de esta lista
> >     personas altamente preparadas, cognitivamente y culturalmente, aun
> >     quede en algunos rasgos de segregación racial
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >     *Cordialmente:         José Félix Arias Ynche*
> >     *                        Investigador Social Para El Desarrollo*
> >
> >
> >     2013/6/14 McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com <mailto:dogwallah at gmail.com>>
> >
> >         On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 12:05 PM, michael gurstein
> >         <gurstein at gmail.com <mailto:gurstein at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >         > Whatever the source, this kind of personalized
> >         attack/characterization
> >         > should not be allowed on this (or any) list.  It only serves
> >         to belittle and
> >         > intimidate and stifles free discussion and debate which
> >         should be the
> >         > objective of our activities here.
> >         >
> >         > We should be dealing with ideas and arguments and not who or
> >         how to describe
> >         > individuals neither by their beliefs nor more than by their
> >         physical or
> >         > other characteristics.
> >         >
> >         > Would the coordinators please intervene to remove this type
> >         of behaviour
> >         > from the list.
> >
> >
> >         I would be glad if this happened, we could get a lot more done if
> >         people didn't try to divide us with first vs third world rhetoric.
> >
> >
> >         You and others should recognise however that Suresh is the
> >         least of
> >         the offenders.
> >
> >         --
> >         Cheers,
> >
> >         McTim
> >         "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it
> >         is. A
> >         route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
> >
> >
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