[governance] Re:Racismo étnico
Riaz K Tayob
riaz.tayob at gmail.com
Sat Jun 15 05:33:58 EDT 2013
Actually I have been less than constructive and with guidance from good
friends have pointed this out. There is a contest of ideas and values,
which is all that I am trying to create space for here, which is
difficult, but no excuse for me bad behaviour.
The contest of ideas need not be expressed so personally, crudely nor in
a way that forecloses discussion - none of us are above reproach. So I
do not read Suresh's point as racist at all. It is part of the contest.
A contest that can be conducted more civilly on my part, which includes
abstaining from being provoked.
While I will try to be clear and precise, I will try to be more
constructive so that we can get to the real politics of the matters at
hand... with intellectual diversity, and multiple conceptions of the
values that underpin our understanding of the 'good life' that inspires
are respective value systems.
So while I cannot apologise nor retract my Third World analytic, I can
certainly try not to be an ass about it... and as we are in good company
I can count on openness and candour from friends to point this out...
riaz
On 2013/06/15 06:02 AM, Chaitanya Dhareshwar wrote:
> Noting Jose's message here in English for those who're unable to
> read/use a translator
> /"Is this practicing ethnic racism? Such attacks should not be allowed
> on this list (or any other).
>
> It only serves to belittle and intimidate the person, and it detracts
> from their free membership participation in discussions and debates on
> this list.
>
> I'm originally from a developing country, also known as the Third
> World, and I am proud of my ethnicity and my home.
>
> It strikes me that as members of this list highly prepared,
> cognitively and culturally still remains in some aspects of racial
> segregation"/
> FYI Jose fair few of us are from what you'd call a "third world" or
> "developing" country. So when a smiley like ":)" is used next to the
> term it's because it's usually intended as a joke, not as a serious
> insult/racism.
> Best,
> Chaitanya
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 5:28 AM, José Félix Arias Ynche
> <jaryn56 at gmail.com <mailto:jaryn56 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
> ¿Se esta practicando el racismo étnico? Este tipo de ataques no se
> debe permitir en esta lista (o en cualquier otro).
> Sólo sirve para menospreciar e intimidar a la persona, y desmedra
> su libre participación como miembro, en las discusiones y el
> debates en esta lista.
>
> Yo soy originario de un país en desarrollo, también conocido como
> del tercer mundo, y me siento orgulloso de mi etnia y de mi origen.
>
> Me llama la atención que siendo los integrantes de esta lista
> personas altamente preparadas, cognitivamente y culturalmente, aun
> quede en algunos rasgos de segregación racial
>
>
>
>
>
> *Cordialmente: José Félix Arias Ynche*
> * Investigador Social Para El Desarrollo*
>
>
> 2013/6/14 McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com <mailto:dogwallah at gmail.com>>
>
> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 12:05 PM, michael gurstein
> <gurstein at gmail.com <mailto:gurstein at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > Whatever the source, this kind of personalized
> attack/characterization
> > should not be allowed on this (or any) list. It only serves
> to belittle and
> > intimidate and stifles free discussion and debate which
> should be the
> > objective of our activities here.
> >
> > We should be dealing with ideas and arguments and not who or
> how to describe
> > individuals neither by their beliefs nor more than by their
> physical or
> > other characteristics.
> >
> > Would the coordinators please intervene to remove this type
> of behaviour
> > from the list.
>
>
> I would be glad if this happened, we could get a lot more done if
> people didn't try to divide us with first vs third world rhetoric.
>
>
> You and others should recognise however that Suresh is the
> least of
> the offenders.
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> McTim
> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it
> is. A
> route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
>
>
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