[governance] Re:Racismo étnico
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From: Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net>
Sender: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 15:43:35
To: Riaz K Tayob<riaz.tayob at gmail.com>; <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>
Reply-To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org,Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net>
Subject: Re: [governance] Re:Racismo étnico
Thanks riaz and believe me, where I can find common ground i certainly will
--srs (htc one x)
On 15 June 2013 3:03:58 PM Riaz K Tayob <riaz.tayob at gmail.com> wrote:
> Actually I have been less than constructive and with guidance from good
> friends have pointed this out. There is a contest of ideas and values,
> which is all that I am trying to create space for here, which is difficult,
> but no excuse for me bad behaviour.
>
> The contest of ideas need not be expressed so personally, crudely nor in a
> way that forecloses discussion - none of us are above reproach. So I do not
> read Suresh's point as racist at all. It is part of the contest. A contest
> that can be conducted more civilly on my part, which includes abstaining
> from being provoked.
>
> While I will try to be clear and precise, I will try to be more
> constructive so that we can get to the real politics of the matters at
> hand... with intellectual diversity, and multiple conceptions of the values
> that underpin our understanding of the 'good life' that inspires are
> respective value systems.
>
> So while I cannot apologise nor retract my Third World analytic, I can
> certainly try not to be an ass about it... and as we are in good company I
> can count on openness and candour from friends to point this out...
>
> riaz
> On 2013/06/15 06:02 AM, Chaitanya Dhareshwar wrote:
> > Noting Jose's message here in English for those who're unable to read/use
> a translator
> > /"Is this practicing ethnic racism? Such attacks should not be allowed on
> this list (or any other).
> >
> > It only serves to belittle and intimidate the person, and it detracts
> from their free membership participation in discussions and debates on this
> list.
> >
> > I'm originally from a developing country, also known as the Third World,
> and I am proud of my ethnicity and my home.
> >
> > It strikes me that as members of this list highly prepared, cognitively
> and culturally still remains in some aspects of racial segregation"/
> > FYI Jose fair few of us are from what you'd call a "third world" or
> "developing" country. So when a smiley like ":)" is used next to the term
> it's because it's usually intended as a joke, not as a serious insult/racism.
> > Best,
> > Chaitanya
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 5:28 AM, José Félix Arias Ynche
> <jaryn56 at gmail.com <mailto:jaryn56 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >
> > ¿Se esta practicando el racismo étnico? Este tipo de ataques no se
> > debe permitir en esta lista (o en cualquier otro).
> > Sólo sirve para menospreciar e intimidar a la persona, y desmedra
> > su libre participación como miembro, en las discusiones y el
> > debates en esta lista.
> >
> > Yo soy originario de un país en desarrollo, también conocido como
> > del tercer mundo, y me siento orgulloso de mi etnia y de mi origen.
> >
> > Me llama la atención que siendo los integrantes de esta lista
> > personas altamente preparadas, cognitivamente y culturalmente, aun
> > quede en algunos rasgos de segregación racial
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *Cordialmente: José Félix Arias Ynche*
> > * Investigador Social Para El Desarrollo*
> >
> >
> > 2013/6/14 McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com <mailto:dogwallah at gmail.com>>
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 12:05 PM, michael gurstein
> > <gurstein at gmail.com <mailto:gurstein at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > Whatever the source, this kind of personalized
> > attack/characterization
> > > should not be allowed on this (or any) list. It only serves
> > to belittle and
> > > intimidate and stifles free discussion and debate which
> > should be the
> > > objective of our activities here.
> > >
> > > We should be dealing with ideas and arguments and not who or
> > how to describe
> > > individuals neither by their beliefs nor more than by their
> > physical or
> > > other characteristics.
> > >
> > > Would the coordinators please intervene to remove this type
> > of behaviour
> > > from the list.
> >
> >
> > I would be glad if this happened, we could get a lot more done if
> > people didn't try to divide us with first vs third world rhetoric.
> >
> >
> > You and others should recognise however that Suresh is the
> > least of
> > the offenders.
> >
> > --
> > Cheers,
> >
> > McTim
> > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it
> > is. A
> > route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
> >
> >
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