[governance] Asking the U.S. government to allow Google to publish more national security request data

[parminder]

McTIm, what you are talking about is entirely a different matter, and 
nothing to do with PRISM which pried on actual content of non US ians... 
My email is clear abut this, isnt it.... Google's letter is also clear 
that it is about Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) requests. 
These requests all pertain to actual content of non US isans and that is 
not what you are talking about in your email).... Let Google show us any 
communication that made to the US gov regarding complying with these 
requests. Or you on their behalf. That would be relevant. Of course 
Google watches spaces like these. if they have any such letter that 
would do a lot to save their face.... So, if they do not come out with 
such a letter(s) within a day or two, it is safe to assume that they 
never asked th US gov to allow them at least some degree of transparency 
on PRISM compliance....  In fact still no one, including Google, has 
told us how FISA requests were received and complied with. At least at 
this stage someone needs to tell us that. Google and others have simply 
denied they knew anything of the name PRISM, but they must certainly 
know FISA. We can talk about that. Let  them not tell the number of 
requests if they are prohibited from telling the numbers. But let us 
know at least what is that we the non US users of Google are exposed. 
How does it work... Hos is it possibe for non US ians to trust Google 
and other involved companies after this.


On Wednesday 12 June 2013 07:00 PM, McTim wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 4:55 AM, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:
>> On Tuesday 11 June 2013 11:29 PM, McTim wrote:
>>>
>>> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2013/06/asking-us-government-to-allow-google-to.html
>>
>> Good to write this letter. And we understand, Google has not faced anything
>> close to the trust deficit with non US customers that if faces today with
>> PRISM related disclosures. I already see people around me, especially NGOS
>> etc, that they would want to move out of gmail. google doc etc.... So, this
>> letter to me is pure PR, and damage control...
>>
>> I would like to see if they made any similar request to US gov before Edward
>> Snowden happened. US government can of course neither prohibit them from
>> writing such requests, nor sharing them publicly -- in any case, they can
>> certainly be shared now. Any such request made before the issue went public
>> despite google and the US gov is what would really count.
>
> I just ran across this..apparently they asked for this months ago:
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/11/google-nsa-national-security_n_3423064.html?utm_hp_ref=technology
>
> "In March, the company won the right publish statistics about the
> number of "national security letters" it receives. Those letters
> require Google to hand over "metadata" about users interactions -- who
> emailed whom, for example, but not the content of the emails
> themselves -- though even then the government would not let Google
> publish exact figures but only broad ranges of the number of
> requests."
>
>
>
>> parminder
>>
>
>

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