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<font face="Verdana">McTIm, what you are talking about is entirely a
different matter, and nothing to do with PRISM which pried on
actual content</font> of non US ians... My email is clear abut
this, isnt it.... Google's letter is also clear that it is about
Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) requests. These
requests all pertain to actual content of non US isans and that is
not what you are talking about in your email).... Let Google show us
any communication that made to the US gov regarding complying with
these requests. Or you on their behalf. That would be relevant. Of
course Google watches spaces like these. if they have any such
letter that would do a lot to save their face.... So, if they do not
come out with such a letter(s) within a day or two, it is safe to
assume that they never asked th US gov to allow them at least some
degree of transparency on PRISM compliance.... In fact still no
one, including Google, has told us how FISA requests were received
and complied with. At least at this stage someone needs to tell us
that. Google and others have simply denied they knew anything of the
name PRISM, but they must certainly know FISA. We can talk about
that. Let them not tell the number of requests if they are
prohibited from telling the numbers. But let us know at least what
is that we the non US users of Google are exposed. How does it
work... Hos is it possibe for non US ians to trust Google and other
involved companies after this. <br>
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On Tuesday 11 June 2013 11:29 PM, McTim wrote:
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Good to write this letter. And we understand, Google has not faced anything
close to the trust deficit with non US customers that if faces today with
PRISM related disclosures. I already see people around me, especially NGOS
etc, that they would want to move out of gmail. google doc etc.... So, this
letter to me is pure PR, and damage control...
I would like to see if they made any similar request to US gov before Edward
Snowden happened. US government can of course neither prohibit them from
writing such requests, nor sharing them publicly -- in any case, they can
certainly be shared now. Any such request made before the issue went public
despite google and the US gov is what would really count.
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I just ran across this..apparently they asked for this months ago:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/11/google-nsa-national-security_n_3423064.html?utm_hp_ref=technology">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/11/google-nsa-national-security_n_3423064.html?utm_hp_ref=technology</a>
"In March, the company won the right publish statistics about the
number of "national security letters" it receives. Those letters
require Google to hand over "metadata" about users interactions -- who
emailed whom, for example, but not the content of the emails
themselves -- though even then the government would not let Google
publish exact figures but only broad ranges of the number of
requests."
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