[governance] FW: [IP] NSA has direct access to tech giants' systems for user data,

[James S. Tyre]

> Oh, and yes in terms of the US (as I always have been) I am for doing away with the
> Patriot Act and the secrecy of FISA courts, though I do acknowledge that they were an
> improvement on Patriot Act without FISA courts and congressional oversight.  

Avri, just a small nit.  FISC (the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court) predates PATRIOT by decades.  It was
created in 1979, in response to the Church Committee's findings of abuses by the Nixon Administration.

WaPo has a nice little text and graphic summary overview at http://wapo.st/18dUS1I

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org]
> On Behalf Of Avri Doria
> Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 9:33 AM
> To: IGC
> Subject: Re: [governance] FW: [IP] NSA has direct access to tech giants' systems for user
> data,
> 
> 
> On 8 Jun 2013, at 11:24, McTim wrote:
> 
> > oh wait we are against that as well.
> 
> 
> Why are we against moving things to privacy and data havens like Ireland. Iceland and
> others?  I think it would be a great incentive for creating data havens.
> 
> Is it because that would be a market type force - voting with our data - and we must not
> ever admit that even market forces are useful sometimes?
> 
> BTW how many countries spy on the data that cross their geographical borders from outside
> their borders?  How many data havens are there?  And bravo to the countries trying to
> create them.
> 
> Oh, and yes in terms of the US (as I always have been) I am for doing away with the
> Patriot Act and the secrecy of FISA courts, though I do acknowledge that they were an
> improvement on Patriot Act without FISA courts and congressional oversight.  I favor all
> countries doing away with all geographical data borders of every sort.  But that is in the
> fat chance category, so I live knowing i live in a glass house, and recognizing that we
> all live in glass houses*, I am constantly shopping for curtains.
> 
> 
> avri
> 
> Though some are just one way glass


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