[governance] FW: [IP] NSA has direct access to tech giants' systems for user data,

[Avri Doria]

thanks for the correction.

avri

On 8 Jun 2013, at 13:04, James S. Tyre wrote:

>> Oh, and yes in terms of the US (as I always have been) I am for doing away with the
>> Patriot Act and the secrecy of FISA courts, though I do acknowledge that they were an
>> improvement on Patriot Act without FISA courts and congressional oversight.  
> 
> Avri, just a small nit.  FISC (the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court) predates PATRIOT by decades.  It was
> created in 1979, in response to the Church Committee's findings of abuses by the Nixon Administration.
> 
> WaPo has a nice little text and graphic summary overview at http://wapo.st/18dUS1I
> 
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> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org]
>> On Behalf Of Avri Doria
>> Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 9:33 AM
>> To: IGC
>> Subject: Re: [governance] FW: [IP] NSA has direct access to tech giants' systems for user
>> data,
>> 
>> 
>> On 8 Jun 2013, at 11:24, McTim wrote:
>> 
>>> oh wait we are against that as well.
>> 
>> 
>> Why are we against moving things to privacy and data havens like Ireland. Iceland and
>> others?  I think it would be a great incentive for creating data havens.
>> 
>> Is it because that would be a market type force - voting with our data - and we must not
>> ever admit that even market forces are useful sometimes?
>> 
>> BTW how many countries spy on the data that cross their geographical borders from outside
>> their borders?  How many data havens are there?  And bravo to the countries trying to
>> create them.
>> 
>> Oh, and yes in terms of the US (as I always have been) I am for doing away with the
>> Patriot Act and the secrecy of FISA courts, though I do acknowledge that they were an
>> improvement on Patriot Act without FISA courts and congressional oversight.  I favor all
>> countries doing away with all geographical data borders of every sort.  But that is in the
>> fat chance category, so I live knowing i live in a glass house, and recognizing that we
>> all live in glass houses*, I am constantly shopping for curtains.
>> 
>> 
>> avri
>> 
>> Though some are just one way glass
> 
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