[governance] FW: [IP] NSA has direct access to tech giants' systems for user data, secrAnet files reveal | World news | guardian.co.uk

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

This is surprising. A so-called "single rooter" McTim expresses opposition of the exact same thing the splinter minority rump group we have here of "third worldists" and other assorted purveyors of ideological cant are opposed to, and this is twisted into yet another highly predictable denunciation of the technical community at large?

And is the centurion hammering nails into Christ's body a metaphor for something more recent where the "orders are orders" defense was tried, and rejected?  In either case, a soldier following or refusing to follow a criminal order is hardly the right analogy to use in any kind of civilian context.

--srs (iPad)

On 08-Jun-2013, at 19:46, Riaz K Tayob <riaz.tayob at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ahh, there is the rub.
> 
> The single rooters made common cause with with this agenda, and marginalised the critics calling for legitimacy. Wittingly or (worse) unwittingly, the public interest has been abused. 
> 
> Is the technical political? We have had this discussion, but this puts matters into context. It also helps locate the theoretical, ethical and political position of civil society into real historical time. And that speaks volumes. American safeguards are just no good. It also puts Auerbach's point about points of abuse into sharp focus - he is vindicated to a large extent: irrespective of the technical way the spying was done. 
> 
> A lot more persuasion will be necessary on what this reveals, particularly those a certain Third World persuasion, the Lessig's, EFF, etc. We can only hope that this (Cassandra) tragedy results in public interest being better represented in a meaningful way (but we cannot hold our breath to be realistic... ). We can also say that Norbert too has been vindicated for opening up spaces for certain dialogues that were somewhat marginal on this list.
> 
> This one is a biggie. Cautious change may result or shamelessness. 
> 
> Riaz
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> 
> On 2013/06/08 03:05 PM, McTim wrote:
>> On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 7:15 AM, Carlos A. Afonso <ca at cafonso.ca> wrote:
>>> Yes, as the centurion said to Christ while driving a nail through His hands:
>>> "I am just doing my job, sorry!"
>>> 
>>> Ah, the technical community...
>> 
>> Isn't it just a wee bit of a stretch to blame the TC for the NSA spying on us?
>> 
>> 
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