[governance] FW: [IP] NSA has direct access to tech giants' systems for user data, secrAnet files reveal | World news | guardian.co.uk

[Riaz K Tayob]

Ahh, there is the rub.

The single rooters made common cause with with this agenda, and 
marginalised the critics calling for legitimacy. Wittingly or (worse) 
unwittingly, the public interest has been abused.

Is the technical political? We have had this discussion, but this puts 
matters into context. It also helps locate the theoretical, ethical and 
political position of civil society into real historical time. And that 
speaks volumes. American safeguards are just no good. It also puts 
Auerbach's point about points of abuse into sharp focus - he is 
vindicated to a large extent: irrespective of the technical way the 
spying was done.

A lot more persuasion will be necessary on what this reveals, 
particularly those a certain Third World persuasion, the Lessig's, EFF, 
etc. We can only hope that this (Cassandra) 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassandra> tragedy results in public 
interest being better represented in a meaningful way (but we cannot 
hold our breath to be realistic... ). We can also say that Norbert too 
has been vindicated for opening up spaces for certain dialogues that 
were somewhat marginal on this list.

This one is a biggie. Cautious change may result or shamelessness.

Riaz





On 2013/06/08 03:05 PM, McTim wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 7:15 AM, Carlos A. Afonso <ca at cafonso.ca> wrote:
>> Yes, as the centurion said to Christ while driving a nail through His hands:
>> "I am just doing my job, sorry!"
>>
>> Ah, the technical community...
>
> Isn't it just a wee bit of a stretch to blame the TC for the NSA spying on us?
>
>

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