[governance] Re: Revised Draft IGC Statement #DRM in HTML5
Catherine Roy
ecrire at catherine-roy.net
Fri Jun 7 10:18:03 EDT 2013
Hi Adam,
It certainly does cover my concerns. I would quote to you the relevant
passages but that would mean pratically quoting half of the formal
objection. For example:
"The inclusion of this deliverable, and any deliverable where ultimate
control over user agent functionality is technically and legally removed
from the user, will (1) exclude an entire class of platforms and user
agents from full conformance with the HTML5 standard and the W3C's
vision of the Open Web; (2) encourage the reduction of the amount of
content accessible to users via the Web; and (3) create serious future
impediments to W3C's core mission of promoting interoperability,
voluntary standards compliance, and access for all." - 2nd para
"[...] We hope we can bring our experience working with standards
groups, researchers, legislators, and users to help illuminate best
practices for conveniently providing support for commercial content
while still preserving user rights." - 3rd para
"Engineering usage control on modern devices requires both preventing
the user from controlling some of the functionality of her own device,
and giving control over that functionality to a third party. Many
developers view this as both technically problematic (users should
normally have full access to the hardware and software of their own
devices), and damaging to user security (with remote usage control,
third parties may extract, delete or tamper data on the user's computer
without permission; see, e.g. the Sony Rootkit scandal). Usage controls
also provide an disturbing set of incentives to withhold the highest
level of administrative control over a device from its owner, forcing
individuals to cede power over their devices to others and eroding the
meaning and scope of ownership." - 9th para
Etc., etc.
For more examples, please read :
https://www.eff.org/pages/drm/w3c-formal-objection-html-wg
Hope this helps,
Catherine
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Catherine Roy
http://www.catherine-roy.net
On 07/06/2013 1:54 AM, Adam Peake wrote:
> Hi Catherine,
>
> Does the EFF statement cover your concerns?
>
> Best,
>
> Adam
>
>
> On Jun 7, 2013, at 2:14 AM, Catherine Roy wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> While I support this latest formulation by Adam as it is simple, to
>> the point and avoids ambiguous and perhaps (for the moment)
>> unprovable facts, I feel it is lacking with regards to users' rights,
>> which is also one of the key issues at the heart of this whole
>> matter. That is, as someone on the W3C restricted media mailing list
>> mentioned, standards should be at the margin of debates, and if
>> required to take part, should always, in the end, be on the side of
>> the user. Much like optimizing sites for particular browsers that
>> shut out certain users, there is a real problem here with shutting
>> out users who do not have the right software/hardware from content
>> (in this case, much of the discussions revolve around premium
>> content but it could extend to any content that applies DRM). So,
>> while I am not a wordsmith and therefore apologize for not proposing
>> exact wording, I would like to see something more clear in the
>> statement regarding users rights and sovereignty over their euh,
>> "equipment".
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>>
>> Catherine
>>
>> --
>> Catherine Roy
>> http://www.catherine-roy.net
>>
>>
>> On 2013-06-06 04:52, Adam Peake wrote:
>>> Hi Sala,
>>>
>>> To be honest, having to remember a url and jump off to a separate
>>> site for such a small statement is a pain. In my opinion, anyway.
>>> Perhaps you can see the stats on the http://www.igcaucus.org/ page,
>>> how many people bother to visit vs the very large number who read
>>> the list?
>>>
>>> A cleaned up version of a short statement:
>>>
>>> The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus (IGC) endorses and
>>> supports the formal objection lodged by the Electronic Frontier
>>> Foundation (EFF)
>>> <https://www.eff.org/pages/drm/w3c-formal-objection-html-wg>
>>>
>>> We believe that the inclusion of digital rights management in HTML5
>>> has the potential to stifle innovation and we object to the
>>> inclusion of digital rights management (DRM) in HTML5.
>>>
>>> We fully endorse the arguments raised by the EFF in their statement
>>> "EFF's Formal Objection to the HTML WG Draft Charter"
>>> <https://www.eff.org/pages/drm/w3c-formal-objection-html-wg>
>>>
>>> The EFF statement we're considering to support is itself long and
>>> speaks for itself. See no need to add more than above.
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 6, 2013, at 4:30 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote:
>>>
>>>> In case, people missed it. The revised Statement is live at:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/digressit/archives/112 where you can add
>>>> your comments and suggest text.
>>>>
>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>> Sala
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 2:50 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro
>>>> <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear All,
>>>>
>>>> Further to the discussions on the mailing list, I have revised
>>>> the first version to the one below. I have highlighted the
>>>> sentence still in contention and also note that there are mixed
>>>> reactions to the balance of the protection of intellectual
>>>> property rights through mediums like the DRM to protect
>>>> innovation and challenges to threats of impeded "Access". This
>>>> is a very interesting debate and one I believe should be
>>>> thoroughly explored by the IGC where we can come to some common
>>>> ground (if we are able to). I have not had the time to read
>>>> Frank La Rue's new report but it would be interesting to see
>>>> his report of what the world is saying in relation to this
>>>> conflict. I am of course interested in what the IGC has to say.
>>>>
>>>> Roland and Avri raised some very interesting points that
>>>> deserve discussion. As we speak, the Statement will be hosted
>>>> on the Statement Workspace on the IGC website. I have tried to
>>>> capture every comment in the attached document. I find that
>>>> Statement Workspaces are far more effective in neatly allowing
>>>> people to comment on each sentence etc, so my apologies if the
>>>> attached document is inherently messy.
>>>>
>>>> What are your collective thoughts on what Roland suggested that
>>>> whilst there are many battles, this is not one we should spend
>>>> time on? The key issues for your deliberation would be:-
>>>>
>>>> * What is the IGC's position on Digital Rights Management?
>>>> * What is the IGC's position on Digital Rights Management in
>>>> HTML 5?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you to all those for suggesting text and new wordings and
>>>> phrases. I have tried to capture your views below. All the
>>>> mistakes are of course mine. Let us have your thoughts. As soon
>>>> as the Statement is on the Workspace, Norbert will inform us
>>>> and this will allow us to track comments on the revised statement.
>>>>
>>>> *_Revised Draft Statement on Support for EFF’s Objection_*
>>>>
>>>> The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus (IGC) objects to
>>>> the inclusion of digital rights management (DRM) in HTML5. We
>>>> endorse and support the formal objection lodged by the
>>>> Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) and that the draft
>>>> proposal from the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) could stifle
>>>> Web innovation and block access to content for people across
>>>> the planet.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We believe that the proposed standard by W3C is a serious
>>>> threat to an open and free internet. The inherent danger of the
>>>> proposal would be to shut out open source developers and
>>>> competition, destroy interoperability and lock in legacy
>>>> business models.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Much of the developing world relies on open source developers
>>>> to enable OR CREATE mechanisms that allow for an open
>>>> environment of sharing resources related to agricultural
>>>> practices, education, health and diverse content. In such
>>>> regions, access to information is a challenge and with serious
>>>> resource constraints, but it is an open and free internet (and
>>>> the resultant ease of collaboration/sharing information) that
>>>> empowers communities.
>>>>
>>>> For the foregoing reasons we reiterate our strong objection to
>>>> the support for DRM technologies in HTML5, and our agreement
>>>> with the EFF's arguments in this regard.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>> P.O. Box 17862
>>>> Suva
>>>> Fiji
>>>>
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>>>>
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