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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Adam,<br>
<br>
It certainly does cover my concerns. I would quote to you the
relevant passages but that would mean pratically quoting half of
the formal objection. For example:<br>
<br>
"The inclusion of this deliverable, and any deliverable where
ultimate control over user agent functionality is technically and
legally removed from the user, will (1) exclude an entire class of
platforms and user agents from full conformance with the HTML5
standard and the W3C's vision of the Open Web; (2) encourage the
reduction of the amount of content accessible to users via the
Web; and (3) create serious future impediments to W3C's core
mission of promoting interoperability, voluntary standards
compliance, and access for all." - 2nd para<br>
<br>
"[...] We hope we can bring our experience working with standards
groups, researchers, legislators, and users to help illuminate
best practices for conveniently providing support for commercial
content while still preserving user rights." - 3rd para<br>
<br>
"Engineering usage control on modern devices requires both
preventing the user from controlling some of the functionality of
her own device, and giving control over that functionality to a
third party. Many developers view this as both technically
problematic (users should normally have full access to the
hardware and software of their own devices), and damaging to user
security (with remote usage control, third parties may extract,
delete or tamper data on the user's computer without permission;
see, e.g. the Sony Rootkit scandal). Usage controls also provide
an disturbing set of incentives to withhold the highest level of
administrative control over a device from its owner, forcing
individuals to cede power over their devices to others and eroding
the meaning and scope of ownership." - 9th para<br>
<br>
Etc., etc.<br>
<br>
For more examples, please read :
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.eff.org/pages/drm/w3c-formal-objection-html-wg">https://www.eff.org/pages/drm/w3c-formal-objection-html-wg</a><br>
<br>
Hope this helps,<br>
<br>
<br>
Catherine<br>
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On 07/06/2013 1:54 AM, Adam Peake wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:0BB11D99-2C33-477D-B892-73F254344143@glocom.ac.jp"
type="cite">Hi Catherine,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Does the EFF statement cover your concerns? </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Adam</div>
<div><br>
<div><br>
<div>
<div>On Jun 7, 2013, at 2:14 AM, Catherine Roy wrote:</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi,<br>
<br>
While I support this latest formulation by Adam as it
is simple, to the point and avoids ambiguous and
perhaps (for the moment) unprovable facts, I feel it
is lacking with regards to users' rights, which is
also one of the key issues at the heart of this whole
matter. That is, as someone on the W3C restricted
media mailing list mentioned, standards should be at
the margin of debates, and if required to take part,
should always, in the end, be on the side of the user.
Much like optimizing sites for particular browsers
that shut out certain users, there is a real problem
here with shutting out users who do not have the
right software/hardware from content (in this case,
much of the discussions revolve around premium
content but it could extend to any content that
applies DRM). So, while I am not a wordsmith and
therefore apologize for not proposing exact wording, I
would like to see something more clear in the
statement regarding users rights and sovereignty over
their euh, "equipment".<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
<br>
<br>
Catherine<br>
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On 2013-06-06 04:52, Adam Peake wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:EAAB21E8-1E80-44BE-90A4-C1282298636C@glocom.ac.jp"
type="cite">
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<div>Hi Sala, </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>To be honest, having to remember a url and jump
off to a separate site for such a small statement
is a pain. In my opinion, anyway. Perhaps you
can see the stats on the <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.igcaucus.org/">http://www.igcaucus.org/</a> page,
how many people bother to visit vs the very large
number who read the list?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>A cleaned up version of a short statement:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus
(IGC) endorses and supports the formal objection
lodged by the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF)
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.eff.org/pages/drm/w3c-formal-objection-html-wg">https://www.eff.org/pages/drm/w3c-formal-objection-html-wg</a>></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We believe that the inclusion of digital rights
management in HTML5 has the potential to stifle
innovation and we object to the inclusion of
digital rights management (DRM) in HTML5.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We fully endorse the arguments raised by the
EFF in their statement "EFF's Formal Objection to
the HTML WG Draft Charter" <<a
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href="https://www.eff.org/pages/drm/w3c-formal-objection-html-wg">https://www.eff.org/pages/drm/w3c-formal-objection-html-wg</a>></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The EFF statement we're considering to support
is itself long and speaks for itself. See no need
to add more than above.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Adam</div>
</div>
<div><br>
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<div><br>
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<div><br>
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<div>On Jun 6, 2013, at 4:30 AM, Salanieta T.
Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote:</div>
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<blockquote type="cite">In case, people missed it.
The revised Statement is live at:<br>
<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.igcaucus.org/digressit/archives/112"
target="_blank">http://www.igcaucus.org/digressit/archives/112</a>
where you can add your comments and suggest text.<br>
<br>
Kind Regards,<br>
Sala<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at
2:50 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com"
target="_blank">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0
0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex">Dear All,<br>
<br>
Further to the discussions on the mailing
list, I have revised the first version to the
one below. I have highlighted the sentence
still in contention and also note that there
are mixed reactions to the balance of the
protection of intellectual property rights
through mediums like the DRM to protect
innovation and challenges to threats of
impeded "Access". This is a very interesting
debate and one I believe should be thoroughly
explored by the IGC where we can come to some
common ground (if we are able to). I have not
had the time to read Frank La Rue's new report
but it would be interesting to see his report
of what the world is saying in relation to
this conflict. I am of course interested in
what the IGC has to say.<br>
<br>
Roland and Avri raised some very interesting
points that deserve discussion. As we speak,
the Statement will be hosted on the Statement
Workspace on the IGC website. I have tried to
capture every comment in the attached
document. I find that Statement Workspaces are
far more effective in neatly allowing people
to comment on each sentence etc, so my
apologies if the attached document is
inherently messy.<br>
<br>
What are your collective thoughts on what
Roland suggested that whilst there are many
battles, this is not one we should spend time
on? The key issues for your deliberation would
be:-<br>
<ul>
<li>What is the IGC's position on Digital
Rights Management?</li>
<li>What is the IGC's position on Digital
Rights Management in HTML 5?</li>
</ul>
<p>Thank you to all those for suggesting text
and new wordings and phrases. I have tried
to capture your views below. All the
mistakes are of course mine. Let us have
your thoughts. As soon as the Statement is
on the Workspace, Norbert will inform us and
this will allow us to track comments on the
revised statement.<br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-align:justify"><b><u><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Revised
Draft Statement on Support for EFF’s
Objection</span></u></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">The
Civil
Society Internet Governance Caucus (IGC)
objects to the inclusion of digital rights
management (DRM) in HTML5. We endorse and
support the formal objection lodged by the
Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) and
that the draft proposal from the World
Wide Web Consortium (W3C) could stifle Web
innovation and block access to content for
people across the planet.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><br>
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">We
believe
that the proposed standard by W3C is a
serious threat to an open and free
internet. <span style="background:yellow">The
inherent danger of the proposal would be
to shut out open source developers and
competition, destroy interoperability
and lock in legacy business models.</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><span
style="background:yellow"><br>
</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-top:0in;text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Much
of the developing world relies on open
source developers to enable OR
CREATE mechanisms that allow for an open
environment of sharing resources related
to agricultural practices, education,
health and diverse content. In such
regions, access to information is a
challenge and with serious resource
constraints, but it is an open and free
internet (and the resultant ease of
collaboration/sharing information) that
empowers communities.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">For
the
foregoing reasons we reiterate our strong
objection to the support for DRM
technologies in HTML5, and our agreement
with the EFF's arguments in this regard.</span></p>
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-- <br>
<div>Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala</div>
<div>P.O. Box 17862</div>
<div>Suva</div>
<div>Fiji</div>
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