[bestbits] Re: [governance] Re: [IRPCoalition] IGF - and the corporatisation scandal

Mon Jul 29 02:08:10 EDT 2013

On Jul 29, 2013 12:30 AM, "Anupam Agrawal" <anupamagrawal.in at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> +1
>
> Parminder's comment on Paul and overall bringing a scandal view on IGF
not appreciated.
>
> Regards
> Anupam Agrawal

+1
Faisal
>
>
>
> On 29-Jul-2013, at 6:15 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net>
wrote:
>
>> So here is the answer for which parminder accused the secretariat and
mag, and then waxed sarcastic at paul wilson
>>
>> Thanks for the clarification, anriette
>>
>> --srs
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org>
>> Date: 07/29/2013 1:48 AM (GMT+05:30)
>> To: parminder <parminder at itforchange.net>
>> Cc: governance at lists.igcaucus.org,"<,bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>," <
bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>,irp at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org
>> Subject: Re: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Re: [IRPCoalition] IGF - and
the corporatisation scandal
>>
>>
>> This document has never, to my knowledge, been made available to the
>> MAG. Other MAG members on these lists can confirm or provide contrary
>> information.
>>
>> Nor has any other host country funding document or strategy - again to
>> my knowledge - been made available to previous MAGs.
>>
>> The MAG's mandate is to develop the programme of the IGF. Broadening
>> this mandate was discussed during the WG IGF Improvements but that basic
>> mandate has not changed.
>>
>> The Secretariat has when requested provided access to information about
>> its budget and the UN Trust Fund.
>>
>> Personally I believe that more transparency around the host country
>> agreement is needed. That would be one mechanisms for preventing, early
>> on in the process, such abuse of the values and principles that we think
>> of as IGF organising principles.
>>
>> Anriette
>>
>>
>> On 28/07/2013 13:50, parminder wrote:
>> >
>> > On Saturday 27 July 2013 03:33 PM, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:
>> >> On 27/07/2013, at 3:42 PM, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net
>> >> <mailto:parminder at itforchange.net>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Following up on the current IGF cancellation imbroglio, I happened
>> >>> to see what is called as the 'fund raising proposal'
>> >>> <https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BylRrf_lFlA9OXhieGt5WUJsMkU/edit>
>> >>> of the managing committee of Bali IGF..... Sorry to say, but it is a
>> >>> pure scandal....
>> >>
>> >> This is hopefully just naivety on the part of the local organisers,
>> >> who didn't appreciate the difference between the IGF and any other
>> >> Internet conference.
>> >
>> > Well, may be.... although we tend to be selective about whom are we
>> > ready to easily forgive and for what... But in any case, what about
>> > the IGF secretariat and the MAG. Can they also be considered naive and
>> > / or innocent.  They obviously knew of this document. BTW, the
>> > document says that it is trying a new multistakeholder model for
>> > holding the IGFs..  Does it not then constitute an express blessing by
>> > the IGF secretariat and the MAG to such a 'new model'.
>> >
>> >
>> > IGFs are held under the UN flag and the IGF space is subject to UN
>> > conference rules and immunities..... Would many things in the document
>> > not fundamentally be violative of some of these norms and rules.... In
>> > other circumstances, this would have immediately led to an inquiry and
>> > questions being raised officially about how did the IGF secretarit and
>> > the MAG allow such a thing.... But we are not in normal
>> > circumstances,  this is the times of a strong ascendency of
>> > neo-liberal ideology..... And those who need to have triggered the
>> > outrage, the civil society, seem to be happy to quietly condone it as
>> > well.
>> >
>> > And what about the 1 million dollar that has been raised, I would
>> > think, on the basis this document. Is the IGF now bound by the
>> > promises made under the sponsorship deals.... And if these deals are
>> > not valid, because we would not want to deliver on the promises, can
>> > we still consider to have that 1 million dollar for holding the IGF?
>> >
>> >
>> > parminder
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> They can be forgiven for this because indeed until now there has been
>> >> precious little difference between the IGF and any other Internet
>> >> conference.  That this could have happened is more of an indictment
>> >> of the state of the IGF than of the Indonesian team.
>> >>
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