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On Jul 29, 2013 12:30 AM, "Anupam Agrawal" <<a href="mailto:anupamagrawal.in@gmail.com">anupamagrawal.in@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> +1<br>
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> Parminder's comment on Paul and overall bringing a scandal view on IGF not appreciated.<br>
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> Regards<br>
> Anupam Agrawal</p>
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Faisal<br>
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> On 29-Jul-2013, at 6:15 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net">suresh@hserus.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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>> So here is the answer for which parminder accused the secretariat and mag, and then waxed sarcastic at paul wilson<br>
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>> Thanks for the clarification, anriette <br>
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>> --srs<br>
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>> -------- Original message --------<br>
>> From: Anriette Esterhuysen <<a href="mailto:anriette@apc.org">anriette@apc.org</a>> <br>
>> Date: 07/29/2013 1:48 AM (GMT+05:30) <br>
>> To: parminder <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">parminder@itforchange.net</a>> <br>
>> Cc: <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>,"<,<a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a>>," <<a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a>>,<a href="mailto:irp@lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org">irp@lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org</a> <br>
>> Subject: Re: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Re: [IRPCoalition] IGF - and the corporatisation scandal <br>
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>> This document has never, to my knowledge, been made available to the<br>
>> MAG. Other MAG members on these lists can confirm or provide contrary<br>
>> information.<br>
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>> Nor has any other host country funding document or strategy - again to<br>
>> my knowledge - been made available to previous MAGs.<br>
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>> The MAG's mandate is to develop the programme of the IGF. Broadening<br>
>> this mandate was discussed during the WG IGF Improvements but that basic<br>
>> mandate has not changed.<br>
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>> The Secretariat has when requested provided access to information about<br>
>> its budget and the UN Trust Fund.<br>
>><br>
>> Personally I believe that more transparency around the host country<br>
>> agreement is needed. That would be one mechanisms for preventing, early<br>
>> on in the process, such abuse of the values and principles that we think<br>
>> of as IGF organising principles.<br>
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>> Anriette<br>
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>> On 28/07/2013 13:50, parminder wrote:<br>
>> ><br>
>> > On Saturday 27 July 2013 03:33 PM, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:<br>
>> >> On 27/07/2013, at 3:42 PM, parminder <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">parminder@itforchange.net</a><br>
>> >> <mailto:<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">parminder@itforchange.net</a>>> wrote:<br>
>> >><br>
>> >>> Following up on the current IGF cancellation imbroglio, I happened<br>
>> >>> to see what is called as the 'fund raising proposal'<br>
>> >>> <<a href="https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BylRrf_lFlA9OXhieGt5WUJsMkU/edit">https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BylRrf_lFlA9OXhieGt5WUJsMkU/edit</a>><br>
>> >>> of the managing committee of Bali IGF..... Sorry to say, but it is a<br>
>> >>> pure scandal....<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> This is hopefully just naivety on the part of the local organisers,<br>
>> >> who didn't appreciate the difference between the IGF and any other<br>
>> >> Internet conference.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Well, may be.... although we tend to be selective about whom are we<br>
>> > ready to easily forgive and for what... But in any case, what about<br>
>> > the IGF secretariat and the MAG. Can they also be considered naive and<br>
>> > / or innocent. They obviously knew of this document. BTW, the<br>
>> > document says that it is trying a new multistakeholder model for<br>
>> > holding the IGFs.. Does it not then constitute an express blessing by<br>
>> > the IGF secretariat and the MAG to such a 'new model'.<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > IGFs are held under the UN flag and the IGF space is subject to UN<br>
>> > conference rules and immunities..... Would many things in the document<br>
>> > not fundamentally be violative of some of these norms and rules.... In<br>
>> > other circumstances, this would have immediately led to an inquiry and<br>
>> > questions being raised officially about how did the IGF secretarit and<br>
>> > the MAG allow such a thing.... But we are not in normal<br>
>> > circumstances, this is the times of a strong ascendency of<br>
>> > neo-liberal ideology..... And those who need to have triggered the<br>
>> > outrage, the civil society, seem to be happy to quietly condone it as<br>
>> > well.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > And what about the 1 million dollar that has been raised, I would<br>
>> > think, on the basis this document. Is the IGF now bound by the<br>
>> > promises made under the sponsorship deals.... And if these deals are<br>
>> > not valid, because we would not want to deliver on the promises, can<br>
>> > we still consider to have that 1 million dollar for holding the IGF?<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > parminder<br>
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>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> >> They can be forgiven for this because indeed until now there has been<br>
>> >> precious little difference between the IGF and any other Internet<br>
>> >> conference. That this could have happened is more of an indictment<br>
>> >> of the state of the IGF than of the Indonesian team.<br>
>> >><br>
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