[bestbits] Re: [governance] Re: [IRPCoalition] IGF - and the corporatisation scandal

Mon Jul 29 01:30:16 EDT 2013

+1

Parminder's comment on Paul and overall bringing a scandal view on IGF not appreciated.

Regards
Anupam Agrawal

On 29-Jul-2013, at 6:15 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net> wrote:

> So here is the answer for which parminder accused the secretariat and mag, and then waxed sarcastic at paul wilson
> 
> Thanks for the clarification, anriette 
> 
> --srs
> 
> 
> 
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org> 
> Date: 07/29/2013 1:48 AM (GMT+05:30) 
> To: parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> 
> Cc: governance at lists.igcaucus.org,"<,bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>," <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>,irp at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org 
> Subject: Re: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Re: [IRPCoalition] IGF - and the corporatisation scandal 
> 
> 
> This document has never, to my knowledge, been made available to the
> MAG. Other MAG members on these lists can confirm or provide contrary
> information.
> 
> Nor has any other host country funding document or strategy - again to
> my knowledge - been made available to previous MAGs.
> 
> The MAG's mandate is to develop the programme of the IGF. Broadening
> this mandate was discussed during the WG IGF Improvements but that basic
> mandate has not changed.
> 
> The Secretariat has when requested provided access to information about
> its budget and the UN Trust Fund.
> 
> Personally I believe that more transparency around the host country
> agreement is needed. That would be one mechanisms for preventing, early
> on in the process, such abuse of the values and principles that we think
> of as IGF organising principles.
> 
> Anriette
> 
> 
> On 28/07/2013 13:50, parminder wrote:
> >
> > On Saturday 27 July 2013 03:33 PM, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:
> >> On 27/07/2013, at 3:42 PM, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net
> >> <mailto:parminder at itforchange.net>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Following up on the current IGF cancellation imbroglio, I happened
> >>> to see what is called as the 'fund raising proposal'
> >>> <https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BylRrf_lFlA9OXhieGt5WUJsMkU/edit>
> >>> of the managing committee of Bali IGF..... Sorry to say, but it is a
> >>> pure scandal....
> >>
> >> This is hopefully just naivety on the part of the local organisers,
> >> who didn't appreciate the difference between the IGF and any other
> >> Internet conference.
> >
> > Well, may be.... although we tend to be selective about whom are we
> > ready to easily forgive and for what... But in any case, what about
> > the IGF secretariat and the MAG. Can they also be considered naive and
> > / or innocent.  They obviously knew of this document. BTW, the
> > document says that it is trying a new multistakeholder model for
> > holding the IGFs..  Does it not then constitute an express blessing by
> > the IGF secretariat and the MAG to such a 'new model'.
> >
> >
> > IGFs are held under the UN flag and the IGF space is subject to UN
> > conference rules and immunities..... Would many things in the document
> > not fundamentally be violative of some of these norms and rules.... In
> > other circumstances, this would have immediately led to an inquiry and
> > questions being raised officially about how did the IGF secretarit and
> > the MAG allow such a thing.... But we are not in normal
> > circumstances,  this is the times of a strong ascendency of
> > neo-liberal ideology..... And those who need to have triggered the
> > outrage, the civil society, seem to be happy to quietly condone it as
> > well.
> >
> > And what about the 1 million dollar that has been raised, I would
> > think, on the basis this document. Is the IGF now bound by the
> > promises made under the sponsorship deals.... And if these deals are
> > not valid, because we would not want to deliver on the promises, can
> > we still consider to have that 1 million dollar for holding the IGF?
> >
> >
> > parminder
> >
> >
> >
> >> They can be forgiven for this because indeed until now there has been
> >> precious little difference between the IGF and any other Internet
> >> conference.  That this could have happened is more of an indictment
> >> of the state of the IGF than of the Indonesian team.
> >>
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