<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>+1</div><div><br></div><div>Parminder's comment on Paul and overall bringing a scandal view on IGF not appreciated.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div>Anupam Agrawal<br><br><br></div><div><br>On 29-Jul-2013, at 6:15 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net">suresh@hserus.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"><div>So here is the answer for which parminder accused the secretariat and mag, and then waxed sarcastic at paul wilson</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for the clarification, anriette </div><div><br></div><div><div style="font-size:100%">--srs</div></div><br><br><br>-------- Original message --------<br>From: Anriette Esterhuysen <<a href="mailto:anriette@apc.org">anriette@apc.org</a>> <br>Date: 07/29/2013 1:48 AM (GMT+05:30) <br>To: parminder <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">parminder@itforchange.net</a>> <br>Cc: <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>,"<,<a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a>>," <<a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a>>,<a href="mailto:irp@lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org">irp@lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org</a> <br>Subject: Re: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Re: [IRPCoalition] IGF - and the corporatisation scandal <br> <br><br>This document has never, to my knowledge, been made available to the<br>MAG. Other MAG members on these lists can confirm or provide contrary<br>information.<br><br>Nor has any other host country funding document or strategy - again to<br>my knowledge - been made available to previous MAGs.<br><br>The MAG's mandate is to develop the programme of the IGF. Broadening<br>this mandate was discussed during the WG IGF Improvements but that basic<br>mandate has not changed.<br><br>The Secretariat has when requested provided access to information about<br>its budget and the UN Trust Fund.<br><br>Personally I believe that more transparency around the host country<br>agreement is needed. That would be one mechanisms for preventing, early<br>on in the process, such abuse of the values and principles that we think<br>of as IGF organising principles.<br><br>Anriette<br><br><br>On 28/07/2013 13:50, parminder wrote:<br>><br>> On Saturday 27 July 2013 03:33 PM, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:<br>>> On 27/07/2013, at 3:42 PM, parminder <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">parminder@itforchange.net</a><br>>> <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">mailto:parminder@itforchange.net</a>>> wrote:<br>>><br>>>> Following up on the current IGF cancellation imbroglio, I happened<br>>>> to see what is called as the 'fund raising proposal'<br>>>> <<a href="https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BylRrf_lFlA9OXhieGt5WUJsMkU/edit">https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BylRrf_lFlA9OXhieGt5WUJsMkU/edit</a>><br>>>> of the managing committee of Bali IGF..... Sorry to say, but it is a<br>>>> pure scandal....<br>>><br>>> This is hopefully just naivety on the part of the local organisers,<br>>> who didn't appreciate the difference between the IGF and any other<br>>> Internet conference.<br>><br>> Well, may be.... although we tend to be selective about whom are we<br>> ready to easily forgive and for what... But in any case, what about<br>> the IGF secretariat and the MAG. Can they also be considered naive and<br>> / or innocent. They obviously knew of this document. BTW, the<br>> document says that it is trying a new multistakeholder model for<br>> holding the IGFs.. Does it not then constitute an express blessing by<br>> the IGF secretariat and the MAG to such a 'new model'.<br>><br>><br>> IGFs are held under the UN flag and the IGF space is subject to UN<br>> conference rules and immunities..... Would many things in the document<br>> not fundamentally be violative of some of these norms and rules.... In<br>> other circumstances, this would have immediately led to an inquiry and<br>> questions being raised officially about how did the IGF secretarit and<br>> the MAG allow such a thing.... But we are not in normal<br>> circumstances, this is the times of a strong ascendency of<br>> neo-liberal ideology..... And those who need to have triggered the<br>> outrage, the civil society, seem to be happy to quietly condone it as<br>> well.<br>><br>> And what about the 1 million dollar that has been raised, I would<br>> think, on the basis this document. Is the IGF now bound by the<br>> promises made under the sponsorship deals.... And if these deals are<br>> not valid, because we would not want to deliver on the promises, can<br>> we still consider to have that 1 million dollar for holding the IGF?<br>><br>><br>> parminder<br>><br>><br>><br>>> They can be forgiven for this because indeed until now there has been<br>>> precious little difference between the IGF and any other Internet<br>>> conference. 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Don't<br>>> print this email unless necessary.<br>>><br>>><br>><br>><br><br>-- <br>------------------------------------------------------<br>anriette esterhuysen <a href="mailto:anriette@apc.org">anriette@apc.org</a><br>executive director, association for progressive communications<br><a href="http://www.apc.org">www.apc.org</a><br>po box 29755, melville 2109<br>south africa<br>tel/fax +27 11 726 1692<br><br><br></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>____________________________________________________________</span><br><span>You received this message as a subscriber on the list:</span><br><span> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a></span><br><span>To be removed from the list, visit:</span><br><span> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing">http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>For all other list information and functions, see:</span><br><span> <a href="http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance">http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance</a></span><br><span>To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:</span><br><span> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/">http://www.igcaucus.org/</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>Translate this email: <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate_t">http://translate.google.com/translate_t</a></span><br></div></blockquote></body></html>