[governance] today's Wash Post editorial

Fri Jan 25 11:32:57 EST 2013

Rony

As a self respecting American, would you for instance accept an 
arrangement that any law passed by representative bodies of the US will 
have to be signed by the UK monarch to take force .... By the way, that 
reminds me, wasnt republicanism in the US all about that! Have you 
forgotten your own history, and the cherished values of the founders of 
your indisputably great nation...

Similarly for the Internet users of the world; they dont want the 
monarch of the US to sign governance decisions that effect everyone 
equally, throughout the world. And the burden of proof to show 'concrete 
examples' of how such a system affects them adversely, in practice, is 
not upon the people of the world. The basic value of democracy and 
equality is enough reason.

It is such a pity that on a */*global civil society forum* */these basic 
issues of democracy and rights need to be revisted. It is in fact awful.

parminder

On Friday 25 January 2013 09:47 PM, Koven Ronald wrote:
> In what, precisely, does the "yoke of US's oversight" consist ? May we 
> have concrete examples, please, of the exercise of this yoke ?
>
> It has seemed to me for some time that the obsession with getting rid 
> of the Americans is a reflex built on a prejudice, rather than a 
> reflection of experienced reality, at least as concerns Internet 
> governance as such.
>
> The chances of reaching some sort of consensus on the future of 
> Internet governance seem minimal if the basis for action is simply 
> automatic dislike of American influence. Why should any US government, 
> or the US public, agree to revamping Internet governance simply 
> because there are those who resent America and the Americans ?
>
> I'm an American and critical of US policies and actions in a goodly 
> number of specific instances. Yet the kind of generalized dislike of 
> America and the Americans so blithely expressed in the discussions on 
> this list doesn't, however, "speak to my condition" (as my Quaker 
> teachers would put it).
>
> Bests, Rony Koven
>
>     the yoke of US's
>     oversight... parminder
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: parminder <parminder at itforchange.net>
> To: Balleste, Roy <rballeste at stu.edu>; governance 
> <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>
> Sent: Fri, Jan 25, 2013 4:56 pm
> Subject: Re: [governance] today's Wash Post editorial
>
>
> On Friday 25 January 2013 09:17 PM, Balleste, Roy wrote:
> > Any legitimate model of internet governance that sets aside ICANN would
> probably fail.
>
> Prof Balleste, you are completely misreading my proposal. It doesnt set
> ICANN aside, it makes ICANN the all powerful authority in the CIR
> (critical Internet resources) space, freeing it from the yoke of US's
> oversight... parminder
>
> >
> > Roy Balleste, J.S.D.
> > Professor of Law
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> >
> > -----Original Message-----
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> On Behalf Of parminder
> > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 9:53 AM
> > To:governance at lists.igcaucus.org  <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org>
> > Subject: Re: [governance] today's Wash Post editorial
> >
> >
> > On Friday 25 January 2013 08:05 PM, David Conrad wrote:
> >> Parminder,
> >> <snip>
> >>> which I am sure can easily be sorted out by an alternative DNS
> >>> security architecture.)
> >> You'd probably first need to convince the root server operators that there is
> a problem that coming up with an "alternative DNS security architecture" (by
> which I presume you mean "alternative key management processes") would solve.
> This might be challenging.
> > My general proposal assumes widespread agreement among an overwhelming
> majority of actors in the global IG space that the US oversight of ICANN is
> essentially illegitimate and must be replaced. (This is what I have been led to
> believe from discussions on this list.)
> >
> > If this assumption holds, I would presume that at least 10 of the 13 root
> servers operators (non US gov), whom I consider trustees for global Internet
> public, would be among such actors who ultimately seek global legitimacy for a
> global infrastructures. Indeed, I think even you
> > (David) have argued that these non US gov root server operators are expected
> to take decisions in conformity with global public interest, and are not tied to
> the apron strings of the US gov, and its narrow interests.
> >
> > Even if these root server operators are themselves not so democratically
> inclined, I would hope that the moral persuasive power of the mentioned
> overwhelming majority of actors can turn them around towards seeking real
> movement towards what Washington Post described as " remaking the current model
> so that it can serve what has become a global infrastructure".
> >
> > Perhaps, we should start with a meeting between ICANN and the root operators,
> convened by public interest actors, like maybe the IGC, to kickstart the process
> that my proposal seeks to establish.
> >
> > regards, parminder
> >> Regards,
> >> -drc
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
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