[governance] Bloomberg - The Overzealous Prosecution of Aaron Swartz

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

So, exceptionalism is a thinly disguised phrase for the grossest type of national chauvinism. Thanks for spraining it in such excruciating detail,

And here, we see that anybody at all who supports the existing multistakeholder bodies and their historic origins is branded an exceptionalist.

I am afraid that the days are long past when naming a person or group as an "evil running dog of caplitalism", or similar pleasantries, was thought to be an effective and accepted form of argument.

If you simply try to fit an obscure catchphrase to describe and dismiss a complex system of people and institutions that are actually multistakeholder in nature, you demonstrate an unwillingness to actually engage in rationed argument, and a contempt for the other side's ideas.

You can't complain of a lack of civil discourse by others while throwing around cant phrases thst show a casual disrespect for what they advocate.  If you say this is a "political" discussion and these are appropriate words to use in such a discussion, my reply would be to ask why you keep trying to engage in politics rather than trying to engage constructively with others on the caucus.

--srs (iPad)

On 20-Jan-2013, at 15:38, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:

> 
> On Sunday 20 January 2013 03:00 PM, Adam Peake wrote:
>> <snip>
>> 
>> I don't recall support the notion of US Exceptionalism from anyone on this list. 
> 
> No one will profess that term for oneself. However, clearly it is US Exceptionalism being practised when:
> 
> 1. anyone agrees or shows strong sympathy with the view that US has (not just 'had') a 'historic role' in the evolution of the Internet (and perhaps in protection of its 'basic principles', whatever it     may mean) and therefore some degree of continued pre-eminence of the US government in some key IG arrangements, including of the CIRs, is fine/ acceptable...
> 
> 2. anyone is fine with US laws/ courts/ executive/ statutory authorities (FCC, FTC etc) determine much of how the Internet's architecture develops, whether through US law/ jurisdiction’s application on the ICANN, or on most of the monopoly global Internet mega-corporates.... 
> 
> In fact, if the IGC can agree that such US exceptionalism is wrong and unacceptable, and sincerely begins to make political proposals to come out of it, we would have reconciled a lot of political differences among the members of IGC, and also made a great contribution to the area of global governance of the Internet.
> 
> parminder 
> 
>> 
>> Adam
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Guru गुरु <Guru at itforchange.net> wrote:
>>> On 01/20/2013 01:16 AM, John Curran wrote:
>>>> On Jan 19, 2013, at 6:18 AM, Riaz K Tayob <riaz.tayob at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> [The Panglossian world of US Exceptionalism.... of course these matters are discussed and debated, but dare to do anything about it and then those will be put in their place, or no?]
>>>>> The Overzealous Prosecution of Aaron Swartz
>>>>> By Stephen L. Carter Jan 18, 2013 1:30 AM GMT+0200
>>>>> ...
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Riaz - 
>>>>  
>>>> A very good question; I personally don't subscribe to a view of US Exceptionalism 
>>>> (that's likely because I've travelled a bit and can more readily make comparisons),
>>> John,
>>> 
>>> Do you mean you do not think US is exceptional / it is wrong to believe that the US is exceptional
>>> or
>>> Do you mean that there is no belief prevalent about US exceptionalism
>>> 
>>> Can you elaborate on this remark
>>> 
>>> thanks,
>>> Guru
>>> 
>>> <snip>
>>> 
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