[governance] Bloomberg - The Overzealous Prosecution of Aaron Swartz

parminder parminder at itforchange.net
Sun Jan 20 06:03:56 EST 2013 

On Sunday 20 January 2013 04:09 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
> So, exceptionalism is a thinly disguised phrase for the grossest type 
> of national chauvinism. Thanks for spraining it in such excruciating 
> detail,
>
> And here, we see that anybody at all who supports the existing 
> multistakeholder bodies and their historic origins is branded an 
> exceptionalist.
>
> I am afraid that the days are long past when naming a person or group 
> as an "evil running dog of caplitalism", or similar pleasantries, was 
> thought to be an effective and accepted form of argument.
>
> If you simply try to fit an obscure catchphrase to describe and 
> dismiss a complex system of people and institutions that are actually 
> multistakeholder in nature, you demonstrate an unwillingness to 
> actually engage in rationed argument, and a contempt for the other 
> side's ideas.
>
> You can't complain of a lack of civil discourse by others while 
> throwing around cant phrases thst show a casual disrespect for what 
> they advocate.  If you say this is a "political" discussion and these 
> are appropriate words to use in such a discussion, my reply would be 
> to ask why you keep trying to engage in politics rather than trying to 
> engage constructively with others on the caucus.
>
Just one last comment which may throw some light for you on what this 
group is. And if you are so contemptuous of political processes, you 
must look to be in other groups than this. This group is POLITICAL.

 From the IGC charter

The mission of the Internet Governance Caucus (IGC) is to provide a 
forum for discussion, /*advocacy*/, action, ....

 From wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advocacy

*Advocacy**is a**__**political process 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_science>**__*by an individual or 
group <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advocacy_group> which aims to 
influence public-policy and resource allocation decisions within 
political, economic, and social systems and institutions.

parminder


> --srs (iPad)
>
> On 20-Jan-2013, at 15:38, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net 
> <mailto:parminder at itforchange.net>> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Sunday 20 January 2013 03:00 PM, Adam Peake wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> I don't recall support the notion of US Exceptionalism from anyone 
>>> on this list.
>>
>> No one will profess that term for oneself. However, clearly it is US 
>> Exceptionalism being practised when:
>>
>> 1. anyone agrees or shows strong sympathy with the view that US has 
>> (not just 'had') a 'historic role' in the evolution of the Internet 
>> (and perhaps in protection of its 'basic principles', whatever it may 
>> mean) and /therefore/ some degree of continued pre-eminence of the US 
>> government in some key IG arrangements, including of the CIRs, is 
>> fine/ acceptable...
>>
>> 2. anyone is fine with US laws/ courts/ executive/ statutory 
>> authorities (FCC, FTC etc) determine much of how the Internet's 
>> architecture develops, whether through US law/ jurisdiction’s 
>> application on the ICANN, or on most of the monopoly global Internet 
>> mega-corporates....
>>
>> In fact, if the IGC can agree that such US exceptionalism is /wrong 
>> and unacceptable/, and sincerely begins to make political proposals 
>> to come out of it, we would have reconciled a lot of political 
>> differences among the members of IGC, and also made a great 
>> contribution to the area of global governance of the Internet.
>>
>> parminder
>>
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Guru गुरु <Guru at itforchange.net 
>>> <mailto:Guru at itforchange.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     On 01/20/2013 01:16 AM, John Curran wrote:
>>>>     On Jan 19, 2013, at 6:18 AM, Riaz K Tayob <riaz.tayob at gmail.com
>>>>     <mailto:riaz.tayob at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>     [The Panglossian world of US Exceptionalism.... of course
>>>>>     these matters are discussed and debated, but dare to do
>>>>>     anything about it and then those will be put in their place,
>>>>>     or no?]
>>>>>
>>>>>     The Overzealous Prosecution of Aaron Swartz
>>>>>     By Stephen L. Carter
>>>>>     <http://www.bloomberg.com/view/bios/stephen-carter/> Jan 18,
>>>>>     2013 1:30 AM GMT+0200
>>>>>     ...
>>>>
>>>>     Riaz -
>>>>     A very good question; I personally don't subscribe to a view of
>>>>     US Exceptionalism
>>>>     (that's likely because I've travelled a bit and can more
>>>>     readily make comparisons),
>>>>
>>>     John,
>>>
>>>     Do you mean you do not think US is exceptional / it is wrong to
>>>     believe that the US is exceptional
>>>     or
>>>     Do you mean that there is no belief prevalent about US
>>>     exceptionalism
>>>
>>>     Can you elaborate on this remark
>>>
>>>     thanks,
>>>     Guru
>>>
>>>     <snip>
>>>
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