[governance] Civil Society (was Re: caucus contribution, consultation and MAG meeting)

[Roland Perry]

In message 
<13ce371151b.2728.4f968dcf8ecd56c9cb8acab6370fcfe0 at hserus.net>, at 
20:08:31 on Sat, 16 Feb 2013, Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net> 
writes
>Both resolve only to an IP address, which despite working party 19 
>claims should not be considered personal data

It's not about 100% unambiguous personal data, it's finding the 
perpetrator.

Most are what we call "loners", so an IP address is often sufficient, 
although in practice knowing the real name behind a social media account 
is usually good enough (when people set up the account, or their WHOIS, 
they generally didn't realise they should lie about their name, address, 
phone number etc just in case they became a fugitive later).

And the ones who aren't "loners" may also narrow the suspects down to 
(eg) a household with a man and wife and their 5 year old child. At that 
point it's usually obvious which of them is the perpetrator.

ps IP Addresses are often enough personal data that all processing of 
them should be *treated as if* they are personal data. In other words, 
protected by law (with relevant exceptions for prosecuting offenders) 
even when it turns out they are ambiguous.

>On 16 February 2013 7:47:15 PM Roland Perry 
><roland at internetpolicyagency.com> wrote:
>> In message
>> <CALrvCLDiFxGBQW4ECHOY0W8y+sTc0uEHPDst=GN=kAx1Y5RLnQ at mail.gmail.com>, at
>> 14:45:50 on Sat, 16 Feb 2013, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch> writes
>> >> So some opposing views (within civil society, because both stalker and
>> >> stalked are ordinary citizens and therefore members of civil society) have
>> >> not yet been resolved.
>> >
>> >IMO the appropriate place for such conflicts between conflicting
>> >legitimate concerns to be resolved is national parliaments and the
>> >corresponding polititical processes.
>>
>> But some of the remedies can only be applied at a global level (eg
>> traceability via WHOIS records, or from international "cloud" service
>> providers).
>> --
>> Roland Perry
>>
>
>
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