[governance] Civil Society (was Re: caucus contribution, consultation and MAG meeting)

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

The ambiguity starts when you need to tie an IP to an actual customers 
name which you can only do after a subpoena from law enforcement

--srs (htc one x)



On 16 February 2013 9:55:58 PM Roland Perry 
<roland at internetpolicyagency.com> wrote:
> In message
> <13ce371151b.2728.4f968dcf8ecd56c9cb8acab6370fcfe0 at hserus.net>, at
> 20:08:31 on Sat, 16 Feb 2013, Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net>
> writes
> >Both resolve only to an IP address, which despite working party 19
> >claims should not be considered personal data
>
> It's not about 100% unambiguous personal data, it's finding the
> perpetrator.
>
> Most are what we call "loners", so an IP address is often sufficient,
> although in practice knowing the real name behind a social media account
> is usually good enough (when people set up the account, or their WHOIS,
> they generally didn't realise they should lie about their name, address,
> phone number etc just in case they became a fugitive later).
>
> And the ones who aren't "loners" may also narrow the suspects down to
> (eg) a household with a man and wife and their 5 year old child. At that
> point it's usually obvious which of them is the perpetrator.
>
> ps IP Addresses are often enough personal data that all processing of
> them should be *treated as if* they are personal data. In other words,
> protected by law (with relevant exceptions for prosecuting offenders)
> even when it turns out they are ambiguous.
>
> >On 16 February 2013 7:47:15 PM Roland Perry
> ><roland at internetpolicyagency.com> wrote:
> >> In message
> >> <CALrvCLDiFxGBQW4ECHOY0W8y+sTc0uEHPDst=GN=kAx1Y5RLnQ at mail.gmail.com>, at
> >> 14:45:50 on Sat, 16 Feb 2013, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch> writes
> >> >> So some opposing views (within civil society, because both stalker and
> >> >> stalked are ordinary citizens and therefore members of civil 
> society) have
> >> >> not yet been resolved.
> >> >
> >> >IMO the appropriate place for such conflicts between conflicting
> >> >legitimate concerns to be resolved is national parliaments and the
> >> >corresponding polititical processes.
> >>
> >> But some of the remedies can only be applied at a global level (eg
> >> traceability via WHOIS records, or from international "cloud" service
> >> providers).
> >> --
> >> Roland Perry
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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