[governance] All power should be in the hands of the engineers? (was Re: HLLM in LOndon - CS reps)

[Norbert Bollow]

McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 4:28 AM, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch> wrote:
> > In relation to Jean-Christophe's posting quoted below...
> >
> > Those remarks of Alejandro Pisanty (who by the way is not only
> > Chair of ISOC Mexico, but also definitely an influential person in
> > the global technical community, for example he has served three
> > terms as an ICANN board member, and he is currently on ISOC's Board
> > of Trustees)
> 
> and a member of this list (at least formerly and perhaps currently as
> a lurker) and therefore part of CS.

Are you seriously proposing being a current or past subscriber to this
or any other mailing list results in the person being "therefore" part
of civil society??? (There are several reasonable approaches to roughly
defining the "civil society" stakeholder category, and there's room for
reasonable disagreement between proponents of them, but I wouldn't
expect anyone to seriously view being a subscriber to the list as being
indicative in one way or the other!)

> are at
> > minutes 50:00-57:00 in this video:
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtOfsC2n_lQ
> >
> > Although the agenda that he is promoting is absolutely shocking when
> > looked at from any mainstream civil society perspective
> 
> What exactly is shocking?

a) what he actually said, in particular the statements that
Jean-Christophe has quoted

b) the agenda which in my view / analysis is behind those statements

c) these things being well received in the context where they were said 

> > In effect, he's saying that all power should be in the hands of the
> > engineers and by implication in the hands of the companies for which
> > they're working
> 
> He didn't say that at all. Listen to it again maybe?

I started that sentence with "in effect, he's saying". In other words,
the sentence presents my analysis of what he's saying means in effect.

> > , and he is promoting the use of smoke screen tactics
> > that aim at preventing anyone else from gaining an effective
> > influence.
> >
> > Civil society absolutely needs to find a good way to deal with this
> > kind of tactics.
> >
> > These tactics have been successfully used *within* civil society
> > networks such as the IGC with the aim of preventing IGC from being
> > an effective civil society voice
> 
> So voicing a truly held opinion is a "tactic"?

Not necessarily; it can be part of a tactic though. Choices about where
and how to voice one's opinion, and on which subset of the topics under
discussion, are tactical in nature though.

> Your inability to accept diversity of opinion is showing (again).

Thanks for the insult.

Greetings,
Norbert

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