[governance] Fwd: [At-Large] The Internet as we know it is dead
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro
salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com
Thu Aug 29 17:59:41 EDT 2013
On Aug 30, 2013, at 8:15 AM, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu> wrote:
> One of many expressions of (justified) concern at the implications of the NSA revelations, particularly when everyone was so paranoid about how a mere mention of unsolicited bulk email in the ITRs would have (allegedly) cleared the way for systematic surveillance. Well, it turns out systematic surveillance was already happening… And this was quite predictable. We need to take more seriously now the 'realist' argument I have been advancing regarding the role of states in Internet governance:
>
> The biggest threats to Internet freedom today do not come from intergovernmental organizations. They come from national governments with the institutional mechanisms to regulate, restrict, surveil, censor and license Internet suppliers and users. National governments have police forces, armies - and armies of regulators. This includes, especially, our own government, which has greater global reach than any other state. (from http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/article/Greatest-threat-to-Internet-governments-3723621.php#page-2 )
>
+1 I would also add that where states a use the exceptions under Article 19 of the ICCPR. There are a significant no. of countries that have not ratified the ICCPR so it adds to the challenge.
> This was written before the Snowden revelations, btw. States exist in a state of anarchy, when it comes to national security and military affairs. Thus it should be
> The choice is not "the multistakeholder model" vs. the ITU. It is the denationalization of Internet governance vs. the international anarchy of governance by 190 nation
>
> From: apeake at gmail.com [mailto:apeake at gmail.com] On Behalf Of Adam Peake
> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 6:59 AM
> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org
> Subject: [governance] Fwd: [At-Large] The Internet as we know it is dead
>
> Interesting comments.
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels at gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 4:25 AM
> Subject: [At-Large] The Internet as we know it is dead
> To: "lac-discuss-en at atlarge-lists.icann.org" <lac-discuss-en at atlarge-lists.icann.org>, At-Large Worldwide <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>
>
> The CEO of CIRA shares some thoughts on the future of the Internet
>
> http://blog.cira.ca/2013/08/the-internet-as-we-know-it-is-dead/?goback=%2Egde_110405_member_268692395#%21
>
> -Carlton
>
> ==============================
> Carlton A Samuels
> Mobile: 876-818-1799
> *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround*
> =============================
> _______________________________________________
> At-Large mailing list
> At-Large at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large
>
> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org
>
> ____________________________________________________________
> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
> governance at lists.igcaucus.org
> To be removed from the list, visit:
> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing
>
> For all other list information and functions, see:
> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance
> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:
> http://www.igcaucus.org/
>
> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.igcaucus.org/pipermail/governance/attachments/20130830/c0ea011b/attachment.htm>
-------------- next part --------------
____________________________________________________________
You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
governance at lists.igcaucus.org
To be removed from the list, visit:
http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing
For all other list information and functions, see:
http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance
To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:
http://www.igcaucus.org/
Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t
More information about the Governance
mailing list