<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div><br></div><div><br>On Aug 30, 2013, at 8:15 AM, Milton L Mueller <<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu">mueller@syr.edu</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">One of many expressions of (justified) concern at the implications of the NSA revelations, particularly when everyone was so paranoid about how a mere mention
of unsolicited bulk email in the ITRs would have (allegedly) cleared the way for systematic surveillance. Well, it turns out systematic surveillance was already happening… And this was quite predictable. We need to take more seriously now the 'realist' argument
I have been advancing regarding the role of states in Internet governance: <o:p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The biggest threats to Internet freedom today do not come from intergovernmental organizations. They come from national governments with the institutional mechanisms to regulate, restrict, surveil, censor and license Internet suppliers
and users. National governments have police forces, armies - and armies of regulators. This includes, especially, our own government, which has greater global reach than any other state. (from
<a href="http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/article/Greatest-threat-to-Internet-governments-3723621.php#page-2">
http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/article/Greatest-threat-to-Internet-governments-3723621.php#page-2</a> )<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote>+1 I would also add that where states a use the exceptions under Article 19 of the ICCPR. There are a significant no. of countries that have not ratified the ICCPR so it adds to the challenge. <br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="WordSection1">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">This was written before the Snowden revelations, btw. States exist in a state of anarchy, when it comes to national security and military affairs. Thus it should
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The choice is not "the multistakeholder model" vs. the ITU. It is the denationalization of Internet governance vs. the international anarchy of governance by
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:apeake@gmail.com">apeake@gmail.com</a> [<a href="mailto:apeake@gmail.com">mailto:apeake@gmail.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Adam Peake<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 29, 2013 6:59 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [governance] Fwd: [At-Large] The Internet as we know it is dead<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Interesting comments. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Adam<o:p></o:p></p>
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From: <b>Carlton Samuels</b> <<a href="mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com" target="_blank">carlton.samuels@gmail.com</a>><br>
Date: Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 4:25 AM<br>
Subject: [At-Large] The Internet as we know it is dead<br>
To: "<a href="mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>>, At-Large Worldwide
<<a href="mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>><br>
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The CEO of CIRA shares some thoughts on the future of the Internet<br>
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<a href="http://blog.cira.ca/2013/08/the-internet-as-we-know-it-is-dead/?goback=%2Egde_110405_member_268692395#%21" target="_blank">http://blog.cira.ca/2013/08/the-internet-as-we-know-it-is-dead/?goback=%2Egde_110405_member_268692395#%21</a><br>
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-Carlton<br>
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