[governance] Fwd: [At-Large] The Internet as we know it is dead

Thu Aug 29 16:55:49 EDT 2013

The "denationalized model" proposed in Networks and States intentionally
puts asymmetries aside. And for the larger part of those 190 or so states
(and their societies), asymmetries (especially socioeconomic ones) are high
priority in their international affairs. It doesn't seem to be something
easy to overcome, does it?

Regards
Diego

On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:

>   Well stated Milton!
>
> “The choice is not "the multistakeholder model" vs. the ITU. It is the
> denationalization of Internet governance vs. the international anarchy of
> governance by 190 nation-states.”
>
>  *From:* Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu>
> *Sent:* Friday, August 30, 2013 6:15 AM
> *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; 'Adam Peake' <ajp at glocom.ac.jp>
> *Subject:* RE: [governance] Fwd: [At-Large] The Internet as we know it is
> dead
>
>
> One of many expressions of (justified) concern at the implications of the
> NSA revelations, particularly when everyone was so paranoid about how a
> mere mention of unsolicited bulk email in the ITRs would have (allegedly)
> cleared the way for systematic surveillance. Well, it turns out systematic
> surveillance was already happening… And this was quite predictable. We need
> to take more seriously now the 'realist' argument I have been advancing
> regarding the role of states in Internet governance: ****
>
> ****
>
> The biggest threats to Internet freedom today do not come from
> intergovernmental organizations. They come from national governments with
> the institutional mechanisms to regulate, restrict, surveil, censor and
> license Internet suppliers and users. National governments have police
> forces, armies - and armies of regulators. This includes, especially, our
> own government, which has greater global reach than any other state. (from
> http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/article/Greatest-threat-to-Internet-governments-3723621.php#page-2)
> ****
>
> ****
>
> This was written before the Snowden revelations, btw. States exist in a
> state of anarchy, when it comes to national security and military affairs.
> Thus it should be****
>
> The choice is not "the multistakeholder model" vs. the ITU. It is the
> denationalization of Internet governance vs. the international anarchy of
> governance by 190 nation-states.****
>
> ****
>
> *From:* apeake at gmail.com [mailto:apeake at gmail.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam
> Peake
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 29, 2013 6:59 AM
> *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org
> *Subject:* [governance] Fwd: [At-Large] The Internet as we know it is dead
> ****
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>
> Interesting comments.  ****
>
> ****
>
> Adam****
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *Carlton Samuels* <carlton.samuels at gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 4:25 AM
> Subject: [At-Large] The Internet as we know it is dead
> To: "lac-discuss-en at atlarge-lists.icann.org" <
> lac-discuss-en at atlarge-lists.icann.org>, At-Large Worldwide <
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>
> The CEO of CIRA shares some thoughts on the future of the Internet
>
>
> http://blog.cira.ca/2013/08/the-internet-as-we-know-it-is-dead/?goback=%2Egde_110405_member_268692395#%21
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