<div dir="ltr">The "denationalized model" proposed in Networks and States intentionally puts asymmetries aside. And for the larger part of those 190 or so states (and their societies), asymmetries (especially socioeconomic ones) are high priority in their international affairs. It doesn't seem to be something easy to overcome, does it?<div>
<br></div><div>Regards</div><div>Diego </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Ian Peter <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" target="_blank">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>Well stated Milton!</div>
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<div><span><font style="FONT-SIZE:11pt" color="#1f497d">“The choice is not "the multistakeholder model" vs. the ITU. It is
the denationalization of Internet governance vs. the international anarchy of
governance by 190 nation-states.”</font></span></div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="mueller@syr.edu" href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu" target="_blank">Milton L Mueller</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 30, 2013 6:15 AM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="governance@lists.igcaucus.org" href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a> ;
<a title="ajp@glocom.ac.jp" href="mailto:ajp@glocom.ac.jp" target="_blank">'Adam Peake'</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> RE: [governance] Fwd: [At-Large] The Internet as we know it
is dead</div></div></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d">One
of many expressions of (justified) concern at the implications of the NSA
revelations, particularly when everyone was so paranoid about how a mere mention
of unsolicited bulk email in the ITRs would have (allegedly) cleared the way for
systematic surveillance. Well, it turns out systematic surveillance was already
happening… And this was quite predictable. We need to take more seriously now
the 'realist' argument I have been advancing regarding the role of states in
Internet governance: <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The biggest threats to Internet freedom today do not come
from intergovernmental organizations. They come from national governments with
the institutional mechanisms to regulate, restrict, surveil, censor and license
Internet suppliers and users. National governments have police forces, armies -
and armies of regulators. This includes, especially, our own government, which
has greater global reach than any other state. (from <a href="http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/article/Greatest-threat-to-Internet-governments-3723621.php#page-2" target="_blank">http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/article/Greatest-threat-to-Internet-governments-3723621.php#page-2</a>
)<span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d">This
was written before the Snowden revelations, btw. States exist in a state of
anarchy, when it comes to national security and military affairs. Thus it should
be<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d">The
choice is not "the multistakeholder model" vs. the ITU. It is the
denationalization of Internet governance vs. the international anarchy of
governance by 190 nation-states.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <a href="mailto:apeake@gmail.com" target="_blank">apeake@gmail.com</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:apeake@gmail.com" target="_blank">apeake@gmail.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Adam Peake<br><b>Sent:</b>
Thursday, August 29, 2013 6:59 AM<br><b>To:</b>
<a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [governance] Fwd: [At-Large]
The Internet as we know it is dead<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Interesting comments. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Adam<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b>Carlton
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4:25 AM<br>Subject: [At-Large] The Internet as we know it is dead<br>To: "<a href="mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>>, At-Large Worldwide
<<a href="mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>><br><br><br>The CEO of
CIRA shares some thoughts on the future of the Internet<br><br><a href="http://blog.cira.ca/2013/08/the-internet-as-we-know-it-is-dead/?goback=%2Egde_110405_member_268692395#%21" target="_blank">http://blog.cira.ca/2013/08/the-internet-as-we-know-it-is-dead/?goback=%2Egde_110405_member_268692395#%21</a><br>
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