[governance] Report on WCIT // Suggested Next Steps

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

Ah - that is just meeting an extreme point with a counterpoint from the opposite extreme

The two of us (and possibly the more vocal advocates of 'the south' on this caucus) are probably entirely the wrong people to draft a neutral and unbiased position.

--srs (iPad)

On 02-Apr-2013, at 20:52, "michael gurstein" <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:

> Again, these are potentially empirical questions cast within an ideological
> frame... 
> 
> Well worth researching, but by parties rather more neutral than for example,
> the proponents/beneficiaries of the policy positions implied by your stream
> of argument).
> 
> FWIW I have had the opportunity to participate in some "expert" discussions
> on related matters within the OECD and I've discussed some of the
> limitations built into conventional approaches in much of the research being
> produced in this area...
> http://gurstein.wordpress.com/2011/09/25/measuring-the-unmeasurable-internet
> -and-why-it-matters/
> 
> M
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> Ramasubramanian
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> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Norbert Bollow
> Cc: governance at lists.igcaucus.org
> Subject: Re: [governance] Report on WCIT // Suggested Next Steps
> 
> On 02-Apr-2013, at 18:57, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch> wrote:
> 
>> Which parts of these observed fears and concerns are real unsolved 
>> problems, and which parts are just fruits of rhetorical dramatizations 
>> and fears that would go away if the concerned people would simply 
>> inform themselves reasonably well?
>> 
> 
> The additional questions are bound to be - which of these observed fears and
> concerns actually have other, entirely different, causes including but not
> limited to -
> 
> 1. A closed / government monopoly economy, including expensive and
> controlled internet and telecom access [the control might even exist for
> political or censorship reasons in a relatively more open economy]
> 
> 2. A flight of capital, in particular intellectual capital, to other
> countries, due to the lack of an enabling environment for business in the
> country itself [such as just how many Indians and Chinese work for Google
> and Facebook rather than setting up startups in India and China]
> 
> 3. Other localized micro / macro economic factors, as well as enabling
> factors including education, electricity, a stable and democratic government
> ..
> 
> 4. How much of this "belief" is caused and fuelled by the people believing
> this opposing "the north" and in particular the USA on ideological or
> political grounds, to the extent that any news at all in this area is
> interpreted with an ideological slant and selectively skewed to fit
> whichever ideology the individual concerned holds to, using the classic
> tools that a propagandist has at his or her disposal?   
> 
> The perpetrators of this last are not by and large not likely to modify
> their behavior by "informing themselves well", though people who they may
> influence could certainly benefit from alternate sources of information and
> discourse.  I am aware that political and personal beliefs will definitely
> influence thoughts and behavior but this goes rather beyond that.  And an
> axiom of propaganda is that repeating something patently false often enough,
> and unopposed, tends to lend even a blatant canard a veneer of truth.  
> 
> I welcome the thoughts of this caucus.
> 
> --srs
> 

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