[governance] Bangladesh Govt blocks YouTube
Matthias Pfeifer Freshmail
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Wed Sep 19 06:24:23 EDT 2012
Hello Chaitanya.
>1. work out the reasonable measures that should be used to precede/prevent censorship without impeding >internet freedom (for governments and other controlling institutions)
>2. whether google/etc should be requested to 'process' the content that is uploaded - specially ones with words >targeting a particular community/religeon
Point 2 sounds like a censorship-tool to me. Additionally, techniques based on keywords were never a good idea
because its lack of knowledge the context. So, for example, google would need to run a team to review each clip or message which contains one or more of the "badwords". And who should build such a badword list?
I think that we have learned that such techniques just move a problem to another stage and the issue will never be solved.
Matthias
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From: Chaitanya Dhareshwar
To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro
Cc: Tapani Tarvainen
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: [governance] Bangladesh Govt blocks YouTube
What we could do (before making a statement) - IMHO - is:
1. work out the reasonable measures that should be used to precede/prevent censorship without impeding internet freedom (for governments and other controlling institutions)
2. whether google/etc should be requested to 'process' the content that is uploaded - specially ones with words targeting a particular community/religeon
-C
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Chaitanya Dhareshwar <chaitanyabd at gmail.com> wrote:
I think we all agree
1. Freedom of speech is important
2. What is said must be carefully said - if it's likely to hurt the sentiments of the masses ("perceived compliance") something should be done to prevent that hurt sentiment - strongest being censorship (but what other measures could be used? - as Riaz said 'Reasonable' measures)
3. Service providers like youtube (google) that have a large reach and huge client base should consider possible methods to prevent hate/racist/etc messages (measures werent mentioned - we could work on this)
4. Governments need to know there are measures (point 2 & 3) that can be used without opting for censorship - as Faisal said we need to do our part on this or Governments will probably opt for blanket censorship
5. Violence and censorship are not viable solutions - the damage is just too great
-C
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Tapani Tarvainen <tapani.tarvainen at effi.org> wrote:
On Sep 19 16:26, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro (salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com) wrote:
> > I thought the topic was a possible caucus statement on the censorship
> > of youtube, and I've tried to stick to that.
> > And if it hasn't become clear yet, I would support a statement
> > condemning violence but not one demanding censorship.
> @ Tapani there was never any discussion on demanding censorship
I must have misunderstood some messages, then.
My apologies for all concerned.
We are all advocates of an open and free internet at least I think we are. Developing a statement will help to give us an opportunity to craft messages about our position in the midst of the turmoil. How we wordsmith would be collaborative but first it has to resonate within the IGC. If the general consensus is not to develop a statement, then we won't.
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