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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Hello <FONT size=3
face="Times New Roman">Chaitanya.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>>1. work out the reasonable measures that should be used to
precede/prevent censorship without impeding >internet freedom (for
governments and other controlling institutions)</DIV>
<DIV>>2. whether google/etc should be requested to 'process' the content that
is uploaded - specially ones with words >targeting a particular
community/religeon</DIV>
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<DIV>Point 2 sounds like a censorship-tool to me. Additionally, techniques based
on keywords were never a good idea</DIV>
<DIV>because its lack of knowledge the context. So, for example, google would
need to run a team to review each clip or message which contains one or more of
the "badwords". And who should build such a badword list? </DIV>
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<DIV>I think that we have learned that such techniques just move a problem to
another stage and the issue will never be solved.</DIV>
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<DIV>Matthias</DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=chaitanyabd@gmail.com href="mailto:chaitanyabd@gmail.com">Chaitanya
Dhareshwar</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=governance@lists.igcaucus.org
href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</A>
; <A title=salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com
href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com">Salanieta T.
Tamanikaiwaimaro</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=tapani.tarvainen@effi.org
href="mailto:tapani.tarvainen@effi.org">Tapani Tarvainen</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, September 19, 2012 8:05
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [governance] Bangladesh Govt
blocks YouTube</DIV>
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<DIV>What we could do (before making a statement) - IMHO - is:</DIV>
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<DIV>1. work out the reasonable measures that should be used to
precede/prevent censorship without impeding internet freedom (for governments
and other controlling institutions)</DIV>
<DIV>2. whether google/etc should be requested to 'process' the content that
is uploaded - specially ones with words targeting a particular
community/religeon</DIV>
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<DIV>-C</DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Chaitanya Dhareshwar
<SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:chaitanyabd@gmail.com"
target=_blank>chaitanyabd@gmail.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>I think we all agree</DIV>
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<DIV>1. Freedom of speech is important</DIV>
<DIV>2. What is said must be carefully said - if it's likely to hurt the
sentiments of the masses ("perceived compliance") something should be done
to prevent that hurt sentiment - strongest being censorship (but what other
measures could be used? - as Riaz said 'Reasonable' measures)</DIV>
<DIV>3. Service providers like youtube (google) that have a large reach and
huge client base should consider possible methods to prevent hate/racist/etc
messages (measures werent mentioned - we could work on this)</DIV>
<DIV>4. Governments need to know there are measures (point 2 & 3) that
can be used without opting for censorship - as Faisal said we need to do our
part on this or Governments will probably opt for blanket censorship</DIV>
<DIV>5. Violence and censorship are not viable solutions - the damage is
just too great</DIV><SPAN class=HOEnZb><FONT color=#888888>
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<DIV>-C<BR><BR></DIV></FONT></SPAN>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Salanieta T.
Tamanikaiwaimaro <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com"
target=_blank>salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Tapani Tarvainen <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:tapani.tarvainen@effi.org"
target=_blank>tapani.tarvainen@effi.org</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>On Sep 19 16:26, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro (<A
href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com"
target=_blank>salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</A>)
wrote:<BR><BR>> > I thought the topic was a possible caucus
statement on the censorship<BR>> > of youtube, and I've tried to
stick to that.<BR>> > And if it hasn't become clear yet, I would
support a statement<BR>> > condemning violence but not one
demanding censorship.<BR><BR>> @ Tapani there was never any
discussion on demanding censorship<BR><BR></DIV>I must have
misunderstood some messages, then.<BR>My apologies for all
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<DIV>We are all advocates of an open and free internet at least I think we
are. Developing a statement will help to give us an opportunity to craft
messages about our position in the midst of the turmoil. How we wordsmith
would be collaborative but first it has to resonate within the IGC. If the
general consensus is not to develop a statement, then we won't.</DIV>
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