[governance] Facebook and the nipplegate: New Yorker temporarily banned

[Riaz K Tayob]

For me it is important not to conflate issues. It is one thing to have a 
business model that relies on transparency - this is a virtuous circle. 
But there is also the issue of business sense being made on "silent" 
cooperation with govts. In general I am more with Nader's sentiments on 
these matters... we need to identify if corporations are playing or 
serving a public interest function... simply leaving things to the 
market is not enough... that (self-supervision) was tried in the 
financial sector and even the Oracle Alan Greenspan was "shocked" at the 
behaviour of the Bankers (Atlas did not quite shrug given the idiotic 
debates in the run up to the election in the US).

Human Rights values need to pervade public interest functions... scale 
is good for companies, and there ought to be a quid pro quo on rights 
after a certain point. It is banal to say leave the private sector to 
its own devices, especially in contexts where they have market dominance 
(rather than abusing dominant position)...

On 2012/09/17 05:02 PM, Ivar A. M. Hartmann wrote:
> That's a great example! It had slipped my mind. Thank you for poiting 
> it out!
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> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:56 AM, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com 
> <mailto:dogwallah at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>     On Monday, September 17, 2012, Ivar A. M. Hartmann wrote:
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>         I don't believe Twitter or any other profit-seeking
>         corporation makes an effort to protect free speech
>         systematically when it threatens their income. Twitter's
>         strategy of making content removals visible is a business (PR)
>         one, not a human rights protection mechanism.
>         How much transparency is enough transparency is indeed the key
>         question here. This can't be answered in a simple email, but I
>         dare say enough transparency is that which enables full
>         scrutiny of a company or government's actions.
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>     Like this:
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>     http://www.google.com/transparencyreport/
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>     Rgds, McTim
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>     Mct
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>         Best,
>         Ivar
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>         On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Daniel Kalchev
>         <daniel at digsys.bg> wrote:
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>             The one about Twitter.
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>             I can understand Twitter claiming transparency, but can't
>             believe for a moment they are indeed transparent about it
>             (makes no sense).
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>             If you are not 100% transparent, because that is simply
>             not possible, how much is "enough"?
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>             Daniel
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>             On 17.09.12 15:32, Ivar A. M. Hartmann wrote:
>>             Which of the two statements are you referring to, Daniel?
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>>             On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 7:45 AM, Daniel Kalchev
>>             <daniel at digsys.bg> wrote:
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>>                 On 17.09.12 04:17, Ivar A. M. Hartmann wrote:
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>>                     A jail full of dissidents is evidence of
>>                     repression, but where's the evidence of thousands
>>                     of deleted posts and pictures? Twitter is for the
>>                     most part alone in trying to make content removal
>>                     transparent.
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>>                 Why you believe this is the case?
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>>                 Daniel
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>     -- 
>     Cheers,
>
>     McTim
>     "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is.
>     A route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
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