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    For me it is important not to conflate issues. It is one thing to
    have a business model that relies on transparency - this is a
    virtuous circle. But there is also the issue of business sense being
    made on "silent" cooperation with govts. In general I am more with
    Nader's sentiments on these matters... we need to identify if
    corporations are playing or serving a public interest function...
    simply leaving things to the market is not enough... that
    (self-supervision) was tried in the financial sector and even the
    Oracle Alan Greenspan was "shocked" at the behaviour of the Bankers
    (Atlas did not quite shrug given the idiotic debates in the run up
    to the election in the US).<br>
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    Human Rights values need to pervade public interest functions...
    scale is good for companies, and there ought to be a quid pro quo on
    rights after a certain point. It is banal to say leave the private
    sector to its own devices, especially in contexts where they have
    market dominance (rather than abusing dominant position)...<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2012/09/17 05:02 PM, Ivar A. M.
      Hartmann wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CA+=oXBLpm8n74nkMQ4t5bBozQQr_2AC_HD=gEmzAnXS6hJqwnw@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">That's a great example! It had slipped my mind. Thank
      you for poiting it out!<br>
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      <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:56 AM, McTim <span
          dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com" target="_blank">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>></span>
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            On Monday, September 17, 2012, Ivar A. M. Hartmann wrote:<br>
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              I don't believe Twitter or any other profit-seeking
              corporation makes an effort to protect free speech
              systematically when it threatens their income. Twitter's
              strategy of making content removals visible is a business
              (PR) one, not a human rights protection mechanism. <br>
              How much transparency is enough transparency is indeed the
              key question here. This can't be answered in a simple
              email, but I dare say enough transparency is that which
              enables full scrutiny of a company or government's
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          <div>Like this:</div>
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            Rgds, McTim<span></span></div>
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          Mct
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                Best,<br>
                Ivar<br>
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                <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:48
                  AM, Daniel Kalchev <span dir="ltr"><<a
                      moz-do-not-send="true">daniel@digsys.bg</a>></span>
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                    <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> The one about
                      Twitter. <br>
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                      I can understand Twitter claiming transparency,
                      but can't believe for a moment they are indeed
                      transparent about it (makes no sense).<br>
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                      If you are not 100% transparent, because that is
                      simply not possible, how much is "enough"?<span><font
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                          Daniel</font></span>
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                          On 17.09.12 15:32, Ivar A. M. Hartmann wrote:
                          <blockquote type="cite">Which of the two
                            statements are you referring to, Daniel?<br>
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                            <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 17,
                              2012 at 7:45 AM, Daniel Kalchev <span
                                dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true">daniel@digsys.bg</a>></span>
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                                  On 17.09.12 04:17, Ivar A. M. Hartmann
                                  wrote:<br>
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                                    solid;padding-left:1ex"> A jail full
                                    of dissidents is evidence of
                                    repression, but where's the evidence
                                    of thousands of deleted posts and
                                    pictures? Twitter is for the most
                                    part alone in trying to make content
                                    removal transparent.<br>
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                                Why you believe this is the case?<span><font
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                                    Daniel<br>
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          <span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">-- <br>
              Cheers,<br>
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              McTim<br>
              "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where
              it is. A route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel<br>
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