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For me it is important not to conflate issues. It is one thing to
have a business model that relies on transparency - this is a
virtuous circle. But there is also the issue of business sense being
made on "silent" cooperation with govts. In general I am more with
Nader's sentiments on these matters... we need to identify if
corporations are playing or serving a public interest function...
simply leaving things to the market is not enough... that
(self-supervision) was tried in the financial sector and even the
Oracle Alan Greenspan was "shocked" at the behaviour of the Bankers
(Atlas did not quite shrug given the idiotic debates in the run up
to the election in the US).<br>
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Human Rights values need to pervade public interest functions...
scale is good for companies, and there ought to be a quid pro quo on
rights after a certain point. It is banal to say leave the private
sector to its own devices, especially in contexts where they have
market dominance (rather than abusing dominant position)...<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2012/09/17 05:02 PM, Ivar A. M.
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type="cite">That's a great example! It had slipped my mind. Thank
you for poiting it out!<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:56 AM, McTim <span
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On Monday, September 17, 2012, Ivar A. M. Hartmann wrote:<br>
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I don't believe Twitter or any other profit-seeking
corporation makes an effort to protect free speech
systematically when it threatens their income. Twitter's
strategy of making content removals visible is a business
(PR) one, not a human rights protection mechanism. <br>
How much transparency is enough transparency is indeed the
key question here. This can't be answered in a simple
email, but I dare say enough transparency is that which
enables full scrutiny of a company or government's
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<div>Like this:</div>
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Rgds, McTim<span></span></div>
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Best,<br>
Ivar<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:48
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moz-do-not-send="true">daniel@digsys.bg</a>></span>
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> The one about
Twitter. <br>
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I can understand Twitter claiming transparency,
but can't believe for a moment they are indeed
transparent about it (makes no sense).<br>
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If you are not 100% transparent, because that is
simply not possible, how much is "enough"?<span><font
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On 17.09.12 15:32, Ivar A. M. Hartmann wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">Which of the two
statements are you referring to, Daniel?<br>
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2012 at 7:45 AM, Daniel Kalchev <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true">daniel@digsys.bg</a>></span>
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On 17.09.12 04:17, Ivar A. M. Hartmann
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solid;padding-left:1ex"> A jail full
of dissidents is evidence of
repression, but where's the evidence
of thousands of deleted posts and
pictures? Twitter is for the most
part alone in trying to make content
removal transparent.<br>
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Why you believe this is the case?<span><font
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Daniel<br>
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<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">-- <br>
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it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel<br>
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