[governance] Re: Facebook and the nipplegate: New Yorker temporarily banned
Ivar A. M. Hartmann
ivarhartmann at gmail.com
Sun Sep 16 21:17:40 EDT 2012
Trying to figure out which kind of censorship is worst or with more
perverse impact - if from government or from private companies - is simply
besides the point. Both must be denounced and fought.
This kind of differentiation reminds me of the old hierarchy of human
rights, whereby some argued that human right X is more important and
therefore violations of human right Y should not be addressed until
violations of X are fully protected against.
Furthermore, when it comes to free speech in a digital environment
completely controlled by private companies (I'm certainly not talking about
social networks alone), censorship practices that more often than not go
unnoticed (how do you learn about something that isn't there for you to
read/see) surely deserve everyone's full attention. A jail full of
dissidents is evidence of repression, but where's the evidence of thousands
of deleted posts and pictures? Twitter is for the most part alone in trying
to make content removal transparent.
Best,
Ivar
On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 5:56 PM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:
> Perhaps in analysing this it is worth looking at the range of unilateral
> options that can be pursued by corporations or governments acting without
> consultation to affect censorship. I am sure my list is not exhaustive, but
> it includes
>
>
> - national firewalls
> - removing content from affected sites by complying corporations
> - removing host servers from networks by complying nations or
> corporations within nations hosting servers
> - removing host names by registries or registrars in the nations
> hosting such registries and registrars
> - compliance following court orders within the country of citizenship
> of an offending individual to remove offending material
>
>
>
> These of course can all be in competing jurisdictions. And I only need to
> get one of the above acting in my interest in blocking freedom of
> expression, not all.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com>
> *Date: *Sun, 16 Sep 2012 17:29:44 -0300
> *To: *Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
> *Cc: *<governance at lists.igcaucus.org>
>
> *Subject: *Re: [governance] Re: Facebook and the nipplegate: New Yorker
> temporarily banned
>
> I totally agree, Ian. Caught on the mess, it is natural that companies
> will chose the lowest common denominator to avoid legal problems - after
> all, they are committed to gain profit, not to fight for civil liberties -
> and this happens on the disadvantage of FoE.
>
> Best,
> Marília
>
> On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:
>
> Agree with Marilia. The Paypal actions against Wikileaks stays in my mind
> as another example.
>
> Yes, unilateral corporate censorship is a growing problem. But in dealing
> with it we have to point out that the dangers of unilateral government
> censorship without consultation with other affected jurisdictions presents
> similar problems. At the very least, we need some universally agreed to
> guiding principles for such actions – and this would be in the interests of
> corporations, who must be driven crazy dealing with the whims and political
> motivations of 180 odd separate nation state entities all demanding
> separate actions within their jurisdictions on a network which was not
> designed to be able to affect separate national content variations.
>
> Ian Peter
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com <
> http://mariliamaciel@gmail.com> >
> *Reply-To: *<governance at lists.igcaucus.org <
> http://governance@lists.igcaucus.org> >, Marilia Maciel <
> mariliamaciel at gmail.com <http://mariliamaciel@gmail.com> >
>
> *Date: *Sun, 16 Sep 2012 16:37:19 -0300
> *To: *William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch <http://william.drake@uzh.ch> >
> *Cc: *"governance at lists.igcaucus.org <http://governance@lists.igcaucus.org>
> " <governance at lists.igcaucus.org <http://governance@lists.igcaucus.org> >
>
> *Subject: *Re: [governance] Re: Facebook and the nipplegate: New Yorker
> temporarily banned
>
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> What is more important than what is a highly arguable, and, in my opinion,
> fruitless debate. Ask any woman who has been engaged in activism on sexual
> and reproductive rights the importance of this globally omnipresent
> company's censorship on the word "vagina".
>
> In addition, in my opinion, private censorship can be much more dangerous
> exactly because they do not come from imposition (rough power), but from
> soft power. To organize and resist soft power and to distinguish where "the
> enemy lies" is much harder. Conservative ideas get embedded in our minds
> before we have the chance to question them. It is certainly easier to
> identify that "chinese firewall is bad".
>
> I hope we learn to split our attention among these important cases of
> censorship more wisely.
>
> Marília
>
> On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 4:24 PM, William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch <
> http://william.drake@uzh.ch> > wrote:
>
> Maybe because the cases pale in comparison to the types of repression said
> FoE fighters tend to focus on, and because people can mobilize to redress
> them if they care enough without having to resort to intergovernmental
> politics?
>
> Bill
>
> On Sep 16, 2012, at 21:07, Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com <
> http://mariliamaciel@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> More censorship. From Apple, this time. I wonder why FoE fighters do not
> seem to care as much when censorship comes from the private sector, which
> has a much more subtle (and efficient) way to affect standards of right,
> wrong and morality.
>
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2012/sep/13/naomi-wolf-vagina-apple-itunes-censors
>
> On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com <
> http://mariliamaciel@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> A funnier way to continue the discussion about FB policy and their awkward
> views on nudity.
>
>
> http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/cartoonists/2012/09/nipplegate-why-the-new-yorker-cartoon-department-is-about-to-be-banned-from-facebook.html?currentPage=all
>
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