[governance] Re: Facebook and the nipplegate: New Yorker temporarily banned

Ian Peter ian.peter at ianpeter.com
Sun Sep 16 16:56:10 EDT 2012 

Perhaps in analysing this it is worth looking at the range of unilateral
options that can be pursued by corporations or governments acting without
consultation to affect censorship. I am sure my list is not exhaustive, but
it includes

* national firewalls
* removing content from affected sites by complying corporations
* removing host servers from networks by complying nations or corporations
within nations hosting servers
* removing host names by registries or registrars in the nations hosting
such registries and registrars
* compliance following court orders within the country of citizenship of an
offending individual to remove offending material


These of course can all be in competing jurisdictions. And I only need to
get one of the above acting in my interest in blocking freedom of
expression, not all.






From: Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 17:29:44 -0300
To: Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
Cc: <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>
Subject: Re: [governance] Re: Facebook and the nipplegate: New Yorker
temporarily banned

I totally agree, Ian. Caught on the mess, it is natural that companies will
chose the lowest common denominator to avoid legal problems - after all,
they are committed to gain profit, not to fight for civil liberties - and
this happens on the disadvantage of FoE. 

Best,
Marília

On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:
> Agree with Marilia. The Paypal actions against Wikileaks stays in my mind as
> another example.
> 
> Yes, unilateral corporate censorship is a growing problem. But in dealing with
> it we have to point out that the dangers of unilateral government censorship
> without consultation with other affected jurisdictions presents similar
> problems. At the very least, we need some universally agreed to guiding
> principles for such actions ­ and this would be in the interests of
> corporations, who must be driven crazy dealing with the whims and political
> motivations of 180 odd separate nation state entities all demanding separate
> actions within their jurisdictions on a network which was not designed to be
> able to affect separate national content variations.
> 
> Ian Peter
> 
> 
> From: Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com <http://mariliamaciel@gmail.com>
> >
> Reply-To: <governance at lists.igcaucus.org
> <http://governance@lists.igcaucus.org> >, Marilia Maciel
> <mariliamaciel at gmail.com <http://mariliamaciel@gmail.com> >
> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 16:37:19 -0300
> To: William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch <http://william.drake@uzh.ch> >
> Cc: "governance at lists.igcaucus.org <http://governance@lists.igcaucus.org> "
> <governance at lists.igcaucus.org <http://governance@lists.igcaucus.org> >
> Subject: Re: [governance] Re: Facebook and the nipplegate: New Yorker
> temporarily banned
> 
> 
> Hi Bill, 
> 
> What is more important than what is a highly arguable, and, in my opinion,
> fruitless debate. Ask any woman who has been engaged in activism on sexual and
> reproductive rights the importance of this globally omnipresent company's
> censorship on the word "vagina". 
> 
> In addition, in my opinion, private censorship can be much more dangerous
> exactly because they do not come from imposition (rough power), but from soft
> power. To organize and resist soft power and to distinguish where "the enemy
> lies" is much harder. Conservative ideas get embedded in our minds before we
> have the chance to question them. It is certainly easier to identify that
> "chinese firewall is bad". 
> 
> I hope we learn to split our attention among these important cases of
> censorship more wisely.
> 
> Marília
> 
> On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 4:24 PM, William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch
> <http://william.drake@uzh.ch> > wrote:
>> Maybe because the cases pale in comparison to the types of repression said
>> FoE fighters tend to focus on, and because people can mobilize to redress
>> them if they care enough without having to resort to intergovernmental
>> politics?
>> 
>> Bill
>> 
>> On Sep 16, 2012, at 21:07, Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com
>> <http://mariliamaciel@gmail.com> > wrote:
>> 
>>> More censorship. From Apple, this time. I wonder why FoE fighters do not
>>> seem to care as much when censorship comes from the private sector, which
>>> has a much more subtle (and efficient) way to affect standards of right,
>>> wrong and morality.
>>> 
>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2012/sep/13/naomi-wolf-vagina-apple-itunes-c
>>> ensors
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com
>>> <http://mariliamaciel@gmail.com> > wrote:
>>>> A funnier way to continue the discussion about FB policy and their awkward
>>>> views on nudity.
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/cartoonists/2012/09/nipplegate-why-th
>>>> e-new-yorker-cartoon-department-is-about-to-be-banned-from-facebook.html?cu
>>>> rrentPage=all
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
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>>>> 
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>>>> Rio de Janeiro - Brazil
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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