[governance] Re: Facebook and the nipplegate: New Yorker temporarily banned

Sun Sep 16 16:29:44 EDT 2012

I totally agree, Ian. Caught on the mess, it is natural that companies will
chose the lowest common denominator to avoid legal problems - after all,
they are committed to gain profit, not to fight for civil liberties - and
this happens on the disadvantage of FoE.

Best,
Marília

On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:

>  Agree with Marilia. The Paypal actions against Wikileaks stays in my
> mind as another example.
>
> Yes, unilateral corporate censorship is a growing problem. But in dealing
> with it we have to point out that the dangers of unilateral government
> censorship without consultation with other affected jurisdictions presents
> similar problems. At the very least, we need some universally agreed to
> guiding principles for such actions – and this would be in the interests of
> corporations, who must be driven crazy dealing with the whims and political
> motivations of 180 odd separate nation state entities all demanding
> separate actions within their jurisdictions on a network which was not
> designed to be able to affect separate national content variations.
>
> Ian Peter
>
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> *From: *Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com>
> *Reply-To: *<governance at lists.igcaucus.org>, Marilia Maciel <
> mariliamaciel at gmail.com>
> *Date: *Sun, 16 Sep 2012 16:37:19 -0300
> *To: *William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch>
> *Cc: *"governance at lists.igcaucus.org" <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [governance] Re: Facebook and the nipplegate: New Yorker
> temporarily banned
>
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> What is more important than what is a highly arguable, and, in my opinion,
> fruitless debate. Ask any woman who has been engaged in activism on sexual
> and reproductive rights the importance of this globally omnipresent
> company's censorship on the word "vagina".
>
> In addition, in my opinion, private censorship can be much more dangerous
> exactly because they do not come from imposition (rough power), but from
> soft power. To organize and resist soft power and to distinguish where "the
> enemy lies" is much harder. Conservative ideas get embedded in our minds
> before we have the chance to question them. It is certainly easier to
> identify that "chinese firewall is bad".
>
> I hope we learn to split our attention among these important cases of
> censorship more wisely.
>
> Marília
>
> On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 4:24 PM, William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch>
> wrote:
>
> Maybe because the cases pale in comparison to the types of repression said
> FoE fighters tend to focus on, and because people can mobilize to redress
> them if they care enough without having to resort to intergovernmental
> politics?
>
> Bill
>
> On Sep 16, 2012, at 21:07, Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> More censorship. From Apple, this time. I wonder why FoE fighters do not
> seem to care as much when censorship comes from the private sector, which
> has a much more subtle (and efficient) way to affect standards of right,
> wrong and morality.
>
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2012/sep/13/naomi-wolf-vagina-apple-itunes-censors
>
> On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> A funnier way to continue the discussion about FB policy and their awkward
> views on nudity.
>
>
> http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/cartoonists/2012/09/nipplegate-why-the-new-yorker-cartoon-department-is-about-to-be-banned-from-facebook.html?currentPage=all
>
>
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