[governance] U.S. - Japan Policy Cooperation Dialogue on the Internet Economy

Sun Oct 28 00:02:54 EDT 2012

On Friday 26 October 2012 06:52 PM, Milton L Mueller wrote:
>
> Paul
>
> “popular support” does not mean one person, or even two people.
>
> I mean a widespread mobilization among either civil society or 
> business or both, demanding greater UN involvement.
>
> You show me such a mobilization and I will eat those words.
>

Milton,

In view of the relatively widespread mobilisation among civil society 
actors that I mentioned in my previous email for greater involvement of 
UN in Internet governance, that happened just over 10 days prior to the 
CSTD special meeting on enhanced cooperation in May 2011, are you now 
planning to eat your words.

The concerned urls are
http://www.itforchange.net/civil_society_statement_on_democratic_internet
http://www.itforchange.net/list_of_signatories
http://www.itforchange.net/sites/default/files/ITfC/press%20release%20by%20UNspecial%20rapporteur.pdf

parminder

PS: Meanwhile I await your characterisation of the involved groups as.....
>
> *From:*Paul Lehto [mailto:lehto.paul at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 25, 2012 4:45 PM
> *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Milton L Mueller
> *Subject:* Re: [governance] U.S. - Japan Policy Cooperation Dialogue 
> on the Internet Economy
>
> On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu 
> <mailto:mueller at syr.edu>> wrote:
>
> [snip] There just is no popular support for greater UN involvement in 
> Internet governance.
>
>
> With the caveat that it be appropriately drafted and designed, I would 
> support greater UN involvement in Internet governance. In any case, at 
> minimum, it would appear that greater involvement by this listserv in 
> Internet governance might be fairly said to be greater UN 
> involvement.  Is this problematic -- is there "no popular support" for 
> anything greater when it comes to the UN?
>
> "NO popular support" is a very strong statement, and as applied to 
> "greater UN involvement" it is not true since at least one person 
> expressing support would be more than "no" support, and I have done so 
> above.  It would be easy to expand the number of counterexamples.
>
> This statement of "no popular support" appears to be a specific 
> example of at least exaggeration if not false claim regarding what 
> amounts to the mantle of democracy, since democracy is supposed to be 
> responsive to popular support and is somewhat interchangeable in this 
> context.
>
> I would be happy to allow Mr. Mueller the latitude to make what amount 
> in part to political arguments, but it seems that in the course of 
> this email I refer to below, a stricter policy in terms of how one 
> characterizes support or the lack thereof is being urged by Mr. 
> Mueller, so I think it's only fair to hold him to about the same 
> standard he urges for others.
>
> Paul Lehto, J.D.
>
>     Milton L. Mueller
>     Professor, Syracuse University School of Information Studies
>     Internet Governance Project
>     http://blog.internetgovernance.org
>
>
>
>
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>     On Behalf Of McTim
>     > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 12:12 PM
>     > To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org
>     <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org>; parminder
>     > Subject: Re: [governance] U.S. - Japan Policy Cooperation
>     Dialogue on the
>     > Internet Economy
>     >
>
>     > Parminder,
>     >
>     > On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 3:44 AM, parminder
>     <parminder at itforchange.net <mailto:parminder at itforchange.net>>
>     > wrote:
>     > >
>     >
>     > <snip>
>     >
>     > > Does anyone here have answers why they remain silent with
>     regard to the
>     > > active work of rich countries to develop 'global' Internet policy
>     > > principles, and react so rabidly to any effort at
>     democratising global
>     > > Internet policy making.
>     >
>     > My reaction is that CIRP was NOT an effort to make policy
>     principles,
>     > rather an effort
>     > to make IG LESS democratic (in a top-down gov only style).
>     >
>     > It's clear we see the world differently.
>     >
>     > --
>     > Cheers,
>     >
>     > McTim
>     > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
>     > route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
>
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