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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Friday 26 October 2012 06:52 PM,
Milton L Mueller wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier
New";color:#1F497D">“popular support” does not mean one
person, or even two people.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier
New";color:#1F497D">I mean a widespread mobilization
among either civil society or business or both, demanding
greater UN involvement.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier
New";color:#1F497D">You show me such a mobilization and
I will eat those words.
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Milton,<br>
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In view of the relatively widespread mobilisation among civil
society actors that I mentioned in my previous email for greater
involvement of UN in Internet governance, that happened just over 10
days prior to the CSTD special meeting on enhanced cooperation in
May 2011, are you now planning to eat your words. <br>
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The concerned urls are <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.itforchange.net/civil_society_statement_on_democratic_internet">http://www.itforchange.net/civil_society_statement_on_democratic_internet</a><br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.itforchange.net/list_of_signatories">http://www.itforchange.net/list_of_signatories</a><br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.itforchange.net/sites/default/files/ITfC/press%20release%20by%20UNspecial%20rapporteur.pdf">http://www.itforchange.net/sites/default/files/ITfC/press%20release%20by%20UNspecial%20rapporteur.pdf</a><br>
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parminder <br>
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PS: Meanwhile I await your characterisation of the involved groups
as..... <br>
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Paul Lehto [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:lehto.paul@gmail.com">mailto:lehto.paul@gmail.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 25, 2012 4:45 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>; Milton L
Mueller<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [governance] U.S. - Japan Policy
Cooperation Dialogue on the Internet Economy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Milton
L Mueller <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu" target="_blank">mueller@syr.edu</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal">[snip] There just is no popular support
for greater UN involvement in Internet governance.
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With the caveat that it be appropriately drafted and
designed, I would support greater UN involvement in
Internet governance. In any case, at minimum, it would
appear that greater involvement by this listserv in
Internet governance might be fairly said to be greater
UN involvement. Is this problematic -- is there "no
popular support" for anything greater when it comes to
the UN?<br>
<br>
"NO popular support" is a very strong statement, and as
applied to "greater UN involvement" it is not true since
at least one person expressing support would be more
than "no" support, and I have done so above. It would
be easy to expand the number of counterexamples.<br>
<br>
This statement of "no popular support" appears to be a
specific example of at least exaggeration if not false
claim regarding what amounts to the mantle of democracy,
since democracy is supposed to be responsive to popular
support and is somewhat interchangeable in this
context. <br>
<br>
I would be happy to allow Mr. Mueller the latitude to
make what amount in part to political arguments, but it
seems that in the course of this email I refer to below,
a stricter policy in terms of how one characterizes
support or the lack thereof is being urged by Mr.
Mueller, so I think it's only fair to hold him to about
the same standard he urges for others.<br>
<br>
Paul Lehto, J.D.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="hoenzb"><span
style="color:#888888">Milton L. Mueller</span></span><span
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<span class="hoenzb">Professor, Syracuse University
School of Information Studies</span><br>
<span class="hoenzb">Internet Governance Project</span><br>
<span class="hoenzb"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://blog.internetgovernance.org"
target="_blank">http://blog.internetgovernance.org</a></span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org">governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a>
[mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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On Behalf Of McTim<br>
> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 12:12 PM<br>
> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>;
parminder<br>
> Subject: Re: [governance] U.S. - Japan Policy
Cooperation Dialogue on the<br>
> Internet Economy<br>
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Parminder,<br>
><br>
> On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 3:44 AM, parminder <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">parminder@itforchange.net</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
><br>
> <snip><br>
><br>
> > Does anyone here have answers why they
remain silent with regard to the<br>
> > active work of rich countries to develop
'global' Internet policy<br>
> > principles, and react so rabidly to any
effort at democratising global<br>
> > Internet policy making.<br>
><br>
> My reaction is that CIRP was NOT an effort to
make policy principles,<br>
> rather an effort<br>
> to make IG LESS democratic (in a top-down gov
only style).<br>
><br>
> It's clear we see the world differently.<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Cheers,<br>
><br>
> McTim<br>
> "A name indicates what we seek. An address
indicates where it is. A<br>
> route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel<br>
<br>
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