[governance] Indian Express on privacy

Sun Nov 25 09:18:50 EST 2012

The message has probably been slightly garbled in transmission :)

Paid Transit is what you are looking for.

--srs (iPad)

On 25-Nov-2012, at 19:44, "Fahd A. Batayneh" <fahd.batayneh at gmail.com> wrote:

> Suresh, I must admit that what I have stated so far in this thread is more of oral discussions with people I have come across and who are frustrated with the many obstacles instilled and the slow growth as a consequence. I must also admit that I am no expert on issues related to peering and transit as I am restricted to sessions and workshops rather than hands-on experience.
> 
> I was just trying to share what I have come across.
> 
> Fahd
> 
> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net> wrote:
>> Some examples would be lovely.. ASNs if you can cite them 
>> 
>> --srs (htc one x)
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Reply message -----
>> From: "Fahd A. Batayneh" <fahd.batayneh at gmail.com>
>> To: "Suresh Ramasubramanian" <suresh at hserus.net>
>> Cc: "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>
>> Subject: [governance] Indian Express on privacy
>> Date: Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:22 PM
>> 
>> 
>> Mainly peering really. I forgot to mention political aspects as well.
>> 
>> Fahd
>> On Nov 25, 2012 9:45 AM, "Suresh Ramasubramanian" <suresh at hserus.net> wrote:
>> 
>> > For buying transit maybe rather than for peering?
>> >
>> > --srs (htc one x)
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Reply message -----
>> > From: "Fahd A. Batayneh" <fahd.batayneh at gmail.com>
>> > To: "Suresh Ramasubramanian" <suresh at hserus.net>
>> > Cc: "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>,
>> > "McTim" <dogwallah at gmail.com>
>> > Subject: [governance] Indian Express on privacy
>> > Date: Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:05 PM
>> >
>> >
>> > Bribes, perks, free travel, free consultancies... you name it.
>> >
>> > Fahd
>> > On Nov 25, 2012 3:31 AM, "Suresh Ramasubramanian" <suresh at hserus.net>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Sorry?  How do their local ISPs benefit from peering with a western
>> > > country when they don't peer locally?
>> > >
>> > > --srs (iPad)
>> > >
>> > > On 24-Nov-2012, at 21:14, "Fahd A. Batayneh" <fahd.batayneh at gmail.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Would say that it is true for developed countries, but not for developing
>> > > and least developed where some benefit (financially) from peering to
>> > > Western countries.
>> > >
>> > > Fahd
>> > > On Nov 24, 2012 5:16 PM, "McTim" <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 8:11 AM, Fahd A. Batayneh <
>> > >> fahd.batayneh at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>> On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 2:40 PM, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 1:58 AM, Fahd A. Batayneh <
>> > >>>> fahd.batayneh at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>> While I do have Facebook and Twitter accounts, I have not accessed
>> > any
>> > >>>>> of them for quite a long time, and I do not use them. This is what
>> > one can
>> > >>>>> expect when posting personal data online. However, if we look at
>> > things
>> > >>>>> differently, who is not exposed (Internet users)? All our Internet
>> > traffic
>> > >>>>> passes through the various Tier-1 ISPs in the USA and EU
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> ALL, is a pretty strong statement.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Well, we can exclude local traffic passing via IXPs or maybe within the
>> > >>> same network, and maybe very sensitive data that move across the same
>> > >>> Intranet, or maybe traffic that moves within censorship-driven
>> > countries.
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Do you have any evidence for it?
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> No one has evidence about either scenario (everything is monitored vs.
>> > >>> something is monitored vs. nothing is monitored). But would you
>> > disagree
>> > >>> that Internet traffic moving overseas does have to pass at access
>> > points
>> > >>> based in Western countries?
>> > >>>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Yes. There are major CDN nodes and IXPs where Tier1s (and Tier2s and 3s)
>> > >> peer around the globe.  Your traffic does not have to go to US/EU.  In
>> > fact
>> > >> it does not even have to transit a Tier1 provider.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> , and some of them might want to inspect traffic randomly as measures
>> > >>>>> of "National Security".
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> None of them "want to", as it would impact business of passing
>> > packets.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Not really. Business is one aspect of the story, but national interests
>> > >>> is another (especially Western countries that keep using the term "War
>> > on
>> > >>> Terror").
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>
>> > >> Then that would be a "MUST" not a "WANT".
>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >> Cheers,
>> > >>
>> > >> McTim
>> > >> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
>> > route
>> > >> indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
>> > >>
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