<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>The message has probably been slightly garbled in transmission :)</div><div><br></div><div>Paid Transit is what you are looking for.<br><br>--srs (iPad)</div><div><br>On 25-Nov-2012, at 19:44, "Fahd A. Batayneh" <<a href="mailto:fahd.batayneh@gmail.com">fahd.batayneh@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">Suresh, I must admit that what I have stated so far in this thread is more of oral discussions with people I have come across and who are frustrated with the many obstacles instilled and the slow growth as a consequence. I must also admit that I am no expert on issues related to peering and transit as I am restricted to sessions and workshops rather than hands-on experience.<br>
<br>I was just trying to share what I have come across.<br><br>Fahd<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net" target="_blank">suresh@hserus.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-family:Arial">Some examples would be lovely.. ASNs if you can cite them <br><div class="im"><br>--srs (htc one x)<br>
<br><br>----- Reply message -----<br>From: "Fahd A. Batayneh" <<a href="mailto:fahd.batayneh@gmail.com" target="_blank">fahd.batayneh@gmail.com</a>><br>To: "Suresh Ramasubramanian" <<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net" target="_blank">suresh@hserus.net</a>><br>
Cc: "<a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>><br>
</div><div class="im">Subject: [governance] Indian Express on privacy<br></div><div><div class="h5">Date: Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:22 PM<br><br></div></div></span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>Mainly peering really. I forgot to mention political aspects as well.<br>
<br>Fahd<br>On Nov 25, 2012 9:45 AM, "Suresh Ramasubramanian" <<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net" target="_blank">suresh@hserus.net</a>> wrote:<br><br>> For buying transit maybe rather than for peering?<br>
><br>> --srs (htc one x)<br>><br>><br>> ----- Reply message -----<br>> From: "Fahd A. Batayneh" <<a href="mailto:fahd.batayneh@gmail.com" target="_blank">fahd.batayneh@gmail.com</a>><br>
> To: "Suresh Ramasubramanian" <<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net" target="_blank">suresh@hserus.net</a>><br>
> Cc: "<a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>>,<br>
> "McTim" <<a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com" target="_blank">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>><br>> Subject: [governance] Indian Express on privacy<br>> Date: Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:05 PM<br>><br>><br>
> Bribes, perks, free travel, free consultancies... you name it.<br>><br>> Fahd<br>> On Nov 25, 2012 3:31 AM, "Suresh Ramasubramanian" <<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net" target="_blank">suresh@hserus.net</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>><br>> > Sorry? How do their local ISPs benefit from peering with a western<br>> > country when they don't peer locally?<br>> ><br>> > --srs (iPad)<br>> ><br>> > On 24-Nov-2012, at 21:14, "Fahd A. Batayneh" <<a href="mailto:fahd.batayneh@gmail.com" target="_blank">fahd.batayneh@gmail.com</a>><br>
> > wrote:<br>> ><br>> > Would say that it is true for developed countries, but not for developing<br>> > and least developed where some benefit (financially) from peering to<br>> > Western countries.<br>
> ><br>> > Fahd<br>> > On Nov 24, 2012 5:16 PM, "McTim" <<a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com" target="_blank">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> ><br>> >><br>> >><br>
> >> On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 8:11 AM, Fahd A. Batayneh <<br>> >> <a href="mailto:fahd.batayneh@gmail.com" target="_blank">fahd.batayneh@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> >><br>> >>> On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 2:40 PM, McTim <<a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com" target="_blank">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> >>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>> On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 1:58 AM, Fahd A. Batayneh <<br>> >>>> <a href="mailto:fahd.batayneh@gmail.com" target="_blank">fahd.batayneh@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> >>>><br>> >>>>> While I do have Facebook and Twitter accounts, I have not accessed<br>> any<br>> >>>>> of them for quite a long time, and I do not use them. This is what<br>
> one can<br>> >>>>> expect when posting personal data online. However, if we look at<br>> things<br>> >>>>> differently, who is not exposed (Internet users)? All our Internet<br>
> traffic<br>> >>>>> passes through the various Tier-1 ISPs in the USA and EU<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>> ALL, is a pretty strong statement.<br>
> >>>><br>> >>><br>> >>> Well, we can exclude local traffic passing via IXPs or maybe within the<br>> >>> same network, and maybe very sensitive data that move across the same<br>
> >>> Intranet, or maybe traffic that moves within censorship-driven<br>> countries.<br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>> Do you have any evidence for it?<br>
> >>>><br>> >>><br>> >>> No one has evidence about either scenario (everything is monitored vs.<br>> >>> something is monitored vs. nothing is monitored). But would you<br>
> disagree<br>> >>> that Internet traffic moving overseas does have to pass at access<br>> points<br>> >>> based in Western countries?<br>> >>><br>> >><br>> >><br>
> >> Yes. There are major CDN nodes and IXPs where Tier1s (and Tier2s and 3s)<br>> >> peer around the globe. Your traffic does not have to go to US/EU. In<br>> fact<br>> >> it does not even have to transit a Tier1 provider.<br>
> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>> , and some of them might want to inspect traffic randomly as measures<br>
> >>>>> of "National Security".<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>> None of them "want to", as it would impact business of passing<br>
> packets.<br>> >>>><br>> >>><br>> >>> Not really. Business is one aspect of the story, but national interests<br>> >>> is another (especially Western countries that keep using the term "War<br>
> on<br>> >>> Terror").<br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >><br>> >> Then that would be a "MUST" not a "WANT".<br>> >><br>> >> --<br>
> >> Cheers,<br>> >><br>> >> McTim<br>> >> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A<br>> route<br>> >> indicates how we get there." Jon Postel<br>
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