[governance] Indian Express on privacy

Sun Nov 25 09:14:20 EST 2012

Suresh, I must admit that what I have stated so far in this thread is more
of oral discussions with people I have come across and who are frustrated
with the many obstacles instilled and the slow growth as a consequence. I
must also admit that I am no expert on issues related to peering and
transit as I am restricted to sessions and workshops rather than hands-on
experience.

I was just trying to share what I have come across.

Fahd

On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
<suresh at hserus.net>wrote:

> Some examples would be lovely.. ASNs if you can cite them
>
> --srs (htc one x)
>
>
> ----- Reply message -----
> From: "Fahd A. Batayneh" <fahd.batayneh at gmail.com>
> To: "Suresh Ramasubramanian" <suresh at hserus.net>
> Cc: "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>
> Subject: [governance] Indian Express on privacy
> Date: Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:22 PM
>
>
> Mainly peering really. I forgot to mention political aspects as well.
>
> Fahd
> On Nov 25, 2012 9:45 AM, "Suresh Ramasubramanian" <suresh at hserus.net>
> wrote:
>
> > For buying transit maybe rather than for peering?
> >
> > --srs (htc one x)
> >
> >
> > ----- Reply message -----
> > From: "Fahd A. Batayneh" <fahd.batayneh at gmail.com>
> > To: "Suresh Ramasubramanian" <suresh at hserus.net>
> > Cc: "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>,
> > "McTim" <dogwallah at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [governance] Indian Express on privacy
> > Date: Sun, Nov 25, 2012 12:05 PM
> >
> >
> > Bribes, perks, free travel, free consultancies... you name it.
> >
> > Fahd
> > On Nov 25, 2012 3:31 AM, "Suresh Ramasubramanian" <suresh at hserus.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Sorry?  How do their local ISPs benefit from peering with a western
> > > country when they don't peer locally?
> > >
> > > --srs (iPad)
> > >
> > > On 24-Nov-2012, at 21:14, "Fahd A. Batayneh" <fahd.batayneh at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Would say that it is true for developed countries, but not for
> developing
> > > and least developed where some benefit (financially) from peering to
> > > Western countries.
> > >
> > > Fahd
> > > On Nov 24, 2012 5:16 PM, "McTim" <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 8:11 AM, Fahd A. Batayneh <
> > >> fahd.batayneh at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 2:40 PM, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 1:58 AM, Fahd A. Batayneh <
> > >>>> fahd.batayneh at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> While I do have Facebook and Twitter accounts, I have not accessed
> > any
> > >>>>> of them for quite a long time, and I do not use them. This is what
> > one can
> > >>>>> expect when posting personal data online. However, if we look at
> > things
> > >>>>> differently, who is not exposed (Internet users)? All our Internet
> > traffic
> > >>>>> passes through the various Tier-1 ISPs in the USA and EU
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ALL, is a pretty strong statement.
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Well, we can exclude local traffic passing via IXPs or maybe within
> the
> > >>> same network, and maybe very sensitive data that move across the same
> > >>> Intranet, or maybe traffic that moves within censorship-driven
> > countries.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Do you have any evidence for it?
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> No one has evidence about either scenario (everything is monitored
> vs.
> > >>> something is monitored vs. nothing is monitored). But would you
> > disagree
> > >>> that Internet traffic moving overseas does have to pass at access
> > points
> > >>> based in Western countries?
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Yes. There are major CDN nodes and IXPs where Tier1s (and Tier2s and
> 3s)
> > >> peer around the globe.  Your traffic does not have to go to US/EU.  In
> > fact
> > >> it does not even have to transit a Tier1 provider.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> , and some of them might want to inspect traffic randomly as
> measures
> > >>>>> of "National Security".
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> None of them "want to", as it would impact business of passing
> > packets.
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Not really. Business is one aspect of the story, but national
> interests
> > >>> is another (especially Western countries that keep using the term
> "War
> > on
> > >>> Terror").
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> Then that would be a "MUST" not a "WANT".
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Cheers,
> > >>
> > >> McTim
> > >> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
> > route
> > >> indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
> > >>
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